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Re: Ask HN: Why is Confluence Wiki Search so bad?

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It's unbelievably bad. This is literally the only thing you need a wiki for. I can't believe this is the market leader. Notion is going to crush them.

Our search is also quite poor though, something we’re hoping to improve soon!

Thank you for underpromising, and hopefully soon overdelivering!

Re: Ask HN: Why is Confluence Wiki Search so bad?

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post #16

This thread is well timed, I was just about to pick a wiki solution and was leaning towards confluence. But search is really important to me. What’s the prevailing wisdom these days on the best solution for an internal knowledge base/wiki platform?

As for an ok way to manage internal knowledge, I've yet to see it. I've wanted to try out the Johnny Decimal System because if you can create a solid hierarchy of a filing system, everyone should be able to drill down to the right doc. Confluence search doesn't work. Neither does google docs. I think I now want the ability to just pull a local copy of a section of docs, say "all engineering," and just use grep locall…

What are your issues with Google Docs search? Just curious as I'm building a product to generate a better wiki out of Docs/Drive.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Confluence Wiki Search so bad?

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In my experience, it's usually that the person who created the page did not title it with something that a person would search for.

The organization of most teams' documentation is horrendous at my company. There are at least 3 different pages I have to go to for how-to articles and that's just within my current team's space. Not to mention there's limited information on those pages.

Documentation is an after thought. We've also seen a lot of attrition this year. I'm the senior person on my team as a midlevel. I have one contractor who's term is up in a couple months and one junior. They can't fill the 4 positions that have been open for 2-3 months.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Confluence Wiki Search so bad?

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> My bigger question though is why the average user is important. Most large companies have employees whose entire job is ... knowledge management. If they can't figure out how to write wikitext then maybe they're not a good fit for the role? If your wiki limits its contributors to experts, you're doing it wrong.

Regardless of limitations, the vast majority of edits tend to be by those whose job it is.

I'm struggling to remember any job I've had where documentation was primarily the realm of tech writers. Certainly none of the large companies. One startup had a dedicated tech writer but engineers and evangelists still wrote much of the documentation.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Confluence Wiki Search so bad?

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Great take. I worked on Confluence for a few years and have a bit of insight. Search has been an area of focus on and off for the most part of the last 15 years. It actually has gotten a lot better and Atlassian has an entire team focused on improving the search experience across their suite of products (they started with Confluence). And from what I hear, they are focusing on all the right things. To your point, no…

It may be depressing to be on the Confluence “search” team. But wouldn’t it be MORE depressing to be on their “editing” team? Or how about their “performance” team? :-(

The comment you responded to said nothing about being on the search team being depressing.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Confluence Wiki Search so bad?

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post #83
post #37

Searching corporate wiki is pretty difficult, because contrary to something like Google, you can't use context of a search query to recommend content. * First you have a few occurrence of the same search query in your search history (because only a few people searched similar words in the past) * You can't either use synonyms of remove stop words to recommend better content (IT, can means "information technology, or…

Confluence does search while typing, it's just so abysmally slow that you typically won't get a result until you've stopped typing.

Confluence/Jira is abysmally slow with everything it does, anyone know how/why that is?

Re: Ask HN: Why is Confluence Wiki Search so bad?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

As for an ok way to manage internal knowledge, I've yet to see it. I've wanted to try out the Johnny Decimal System because if you can create a solid hierarchy of a filing system, everyone should be able to drill down to the right doc. Confluence search doesn't work. Neither does google docs. I think I now want the ability to just pull a local copy of a section of docs, say "all engineering," and just use grep locall…

What are your issues with Google Docs search? Just curious as I'm building a product to generate a better wiki out of Docs/Drive.

I tried to replicate an exact issue I had last week, but I can't which is interesting. I knew I had read a doc days earlier. I could not find it by partial title matches, content searches, nothing. I had to search email for "so and so shared a doc" to get back to the document. Of course, now I can find it the expected way. I routinely need to search things that are buried in docs, like our intern program. This was another one where I couldn't quite remember the title of the doc nor who wrote it. I searched and searched variations of things containing "intern" and even though I had been in the document within the last couple of weeks, I just plum couldn't find it. I had to go back to a calendar invite to find the doc. Part of the problem could be that sometimes people write things different. I might look for "precap," a part of a doc title I'd expect for interviews, but someone else stored it as "interview pre-read" and so I can't find it. That's why I like document hierarchies / trees for finding things. I can go HR -> interviewing -> $something_more_if_needed and browse a couple of files and find what I want. Labels are cool for when something fits into multiple locations in the tree.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Confluence Wiki Search so bad?

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> If there is anything better out there I am all ears. Mutt, Pine, grep, awk, etc. I don't understand why throwing a GUI interface on top automatically seems to make email search absolutely awful, this includes Gmail. I so often need to find a specific old email using a hazy match criteria that I am half tempted to pipe my email into Splunk (I run a small Splunk cluster at home for other needs) and use it (as then I…

I too need to find specific old email. For that, I type what comes to mind into the gmail search box. To each their own.

So gmail search box allows you to find an email based on email header data? ;)

Sure, gmail search works "ok" when you are searching based on a word in the email or the sender/recipient email. Things more advanced than that it really falls short.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Confluence Wiki Search so bad?

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post #37

Searching corporate wiki is pretty difficult, because contrary to something like Google, you can't use context of a search query to recommend content. * First you have a few occurrence of the same search query in your search history (because only a few people searched similar words in the past) * You can't either use synonyms of remove stop words to recommend better content (IT, can means "information technology, or…

FYI, the "blog" page on your website returns an error. Plus it appears to be a django setup in debug mode, and is serving full error messages w/ settings to the web.
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