Sadly I think the biggest pain I've suffered is from recruiters calling and making every conversation a rambly/chatty/friendly call that doesn't actually give any details. I've been called by recruiters who won't name the company they're recruiting for, the salary range, and are incapable of actually describing the daily-expections beyond buzzwords. I've found the best approach for me is to google "sysadmin helsinki"…
> Any time I see an application form that wants facebook/linkedin/github details I just close the window. You might be doing yourself a disservice there. It varies by company but I ask our HR team to offer the option of LinkedIn profile as an alternative to uploading a CV/resume in case you have the former but don't have the latter to hand or prepared. It's still a minority but I do see people come through who use th…
Ask HN: What things that tech recruiters do, annoy you the most as an engineer?
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Re: Ask HN: What things that tech recruiters do, annoy you the most as an engineer?
#112Sadly I think the biggest pain I've suffered is from recruiters calling and making every conversation a rambly/chatty/friendly call that doesn't actually give any details. I've been called by recruiters who won't name the company they're recruiting for, the salary range, and are incapable of actually describing the daily-expections beyond buzzwords. I've found the best approach for me is to google "sysadmin helsinki"…
They're not saying the company name because they don't want you going there directly and applying without them getting their hefty bonus
Re: Ask HN: What things that tech recruiters do, annoy you the most as an engineer?
#113I'm holding a number of offers (as a candidate) at the moment, and here's my experience. - The good recruiters have a high hit rate and are quick. One of these guys called me about 4 weeks ago. We did a chat about my history, and what I wanted. The next day, he suggested 4 firms. The day after, I had 3 interviews booked. This bit is the real value: if they are good they will suggest people who have a chance of wantin…
> There's a group of firms that are very picky with their hires (FAANG, HFT) that every recruiter in London will mention to you if you are a dev. Knowing which ones actually know these hiring managers is hard. They all claim to have gone to school with them. I have been a hiring manager at several FAANGs in London and these recruiters are all bullshitting you. We never used external recruiters, we had no need. Lead g…
Good to know from you how to approach this.
Re: Ask HN: What things that tech recruiters do, annoy you the most as an engineer?
#114I am on the other side of this. As a hiring manager using recruiters, I am annoyed by: - lack of diversity in candidates. (not just virtue signaling. if all I see are nearly identical resumes, I assume the recruiter is just phoning it in.) - candidates “just a little out of your price range” who are 30% over the top end of my budget. - “confidentially” telling me what other offers a candidate has because then I know…
> if all I see are nearly identical resumes, I assume the recruiter is just phoning it in. Could you explain what you mean by this? I don't quite understand the language.
So in this case, they don't actually care about finding good (or underpriced) candidates, they're just spamming a basic resume match.
Re: Ask HN: What things that tech recruiters do, annoy you the most as an engineer?
#115- Sending really unprofessional messages and not even doing the smallest amount of research before talking to me. I've had one call about a Ruby tech lead position this week, nowhere on my publicly available CVs do I even mention Ruby.
- I've got multiple messages from "lol we're so quirky here" type recruiters, all I can think is "silence, brand!". Emojis evoke a very visceral and unpleasant reaction from me, and I'll always forward the messages onto my boss asking him to make sure we never use those recruiters
- I'll say things that amount to "if they're offering less than $x, they can't afford me", and they'll try to haggle. That's incredibly disrespectful IMHO
- Pretending they care about social issues. If they mention anything about workplace activism I get as far away as possible.
- Being too friendly. I'm a potential recruit, not your new best mate.
Re: Ask HN: What things that tech recruiters do, annoy you the most as an engineer?
#116Calling me after finding me on LinkedIn, telling me they have one or more very interested companies, then after wasting as many minutes as they get asking me to give them a CV. Seriously: it is right there on LinkedIn and if someone is interested I tell them to forward the link to my profile. In fact that is my acid test now. If they insist on me sending anything more it is game over.
It doesn’t work that way. Recruiters take your CV, remove identifiable information (to avoid company going directly after you), add 1-2 cover/intro pages and send it to the company. No ones gonna PRINT PDF your LinkedIn page and send it to a company as an application. Also from company’s point of view, even if you were an applicant with a printed LinkedIn page as CV, it would add more questions than give any you brow…
I've worked as a recruiter for 7 years, and I have sent LinkedIn print-outs to clients several times. A strong candidate's a strong candidate.
> Recruiters take your CV, remove identifiable information (to avoid company going directly after you), add 1-2 cover/intro pages and send it to the company.
Recruiters have terms in place with their clients that mean the client would have to pay either way. The only time recruiters will anonymise CVs before submission are if they're using a CV to try and tempt a company who isn't a client yet -- which is illegal unless they've cleared it with the candidate first.
Re: Ask HN: What things that tech recruiters do, annoy you the most as an engineer?
#117Sadly I think the biggest pain I've suffered is from recruiters calling and making every conversation a rambly/chatty/friendly call that doesn't actually give any details. I've been called by recruiters who won't name the company they're recruiting for, the salary range, and are incapable of actually describing the daily-expections beyond buzzwords. I've found the best approach for me is to google "sysadmin helsinki"…
> Any time I see an application form that wants facebook/linkedin/github details I just close the window. You might be doing yourself a disservice there. It varies by company but I ask our HR team to offer the option of LinkedIn profile as an alternative to uploading a CV/resume in case you have the former but don't have the latter to hand or prepared. It's still a minority but I do see people come through who use th…
Re: Ask HN: What things that tech recruiters do, annoy you the most as an engineer?
#118There’s a whole cohort of English recruiters who hire for the EU roles. They wouldn’t name a company or provide any relevant details unless you agree to have a call with them. And when you do, they’ll ask incredibly annoying questions that show how incredibly non-technical these people are. Moreover, they can’t provide you any relevant company details even if you call them, since their only goal is to push you to the…
Re: Ask HN: What things that tech recruiters do, annoy you the most as an engineer?
#119Sadly I think the biggest pain I've suffered is from recruiters calling and making every conversation a rambly/chatty/friendly call that doesn't actually give any details. I've been called by recruiters who won't name the company they're recruiting for, the salary range, and are incapable of actually describing the daily-expections beyond buzzwords. I've found the best approach for me is to google "sysadmin helsinki"…
> Any time I see an application form that wants facebook/linkedin/github details I just close the window. You might be doing yourself a disservice there. It varies by company but I ask our HR team to offer the option of LinkedIn profile as an alternative to uploading a CV/resume in case you have the former but don't have the latter to hand or prepared. It's still a minority but I do see people come through who use th…
I see the request for social media, as a method to determine if you will fit in. If the group you are going to is extreme in some way, it would be a blessing to avoid them. e.g. if they all play tennis and they have their own tennis tournament ... and you hate tennis ... you will hate working there.
Makes me wonder if you, as a potential employee, should ask to see their linkedin / facebook pages .....
Re: Ask HN: What things that tech recruiters do, annoy you the most as an engineer?
#120Reason why recruiters (and any other type of sales person) prefer synchronous vs asynchronous communication is because of 'conversion rate'. Note, this is NOT converSATION rate, this is conversion rate, the opportunity to 'convert' you from being a prospect to an active candidate, now in process. Asynch is ignorable (which is why they are good for the receiver), but Synch if accepted can become a negotiation (which i…
> My advice for engineers is: understand what manner of communication you most prefer, state this clearly whereever you have a profile and stick rigidly to this. There is really no reason why a recruiter should have your number, and if they do, no reason for you to answer it if the number is unrecognised
I understand what you're trying to convey to recruiters here but, and please understand that my intent isn't to be unkind (and certainly not to you specifically because I'm talking about a whole class of comments), what you may not understand is how this comes across and why it is not good advice for other engineers who may read your comment.
It comes across as entitled and demanding, and marks you out as somebody who possibly lacks flexibility, and might be difficult to work with.
You might like to think that you are very special and very talented, and maybe you are, but here's a dose of reality for you: I work for a company that nobody's ever heard of and, even here, we get far more applicants for our engineering roles than we have roles available. Inevitably that means we unfortunately turn down some very special and very talented people because there are simply too many of them in our pipeline to employ them all (much as I might like to).
This in turn means we get to be choosy about who we hire and who we don't. If you come off as maybe a bit difficult to work with, or a bit inflexible, or maybe nursing a sense of entitlement, you're probably not going to get the job. Why? Because we know there's somebody else in the pipeline with the same skills and who is going to be easier and more pleasant to work with. So, at every stage of our selection process we're selecting against those former traits, and for the latter traits.
And, let me state this again, I don't work for a famous company that loads of people want to work at. I've never really worked for a famous company, apart from one multinational retailer on a contract, yet this is the way it's worked at every single one of them and they've never really struggled to hire. (Of course companies moan that it's hard to hire engineers but what I've come to realise is that most of the time what they mean is that it's more effort than they expected or would like - a sort of reverse entitlement, if you like: "well, these people should obviously just fall into our laps.")
We all have our preferences, and I hate talking to recruiters and going through selection processes but, when all's said and done, if you want the job you've got to play the game. I know there are far too many recruiters who appear to have picked up their social skills from the local reptile sanctuary, but (and especially if you want the job) do not be a pain in the ass to the recruiter, whether they're external or in-house.
FOR ADDITIONAL CONTEXT ONLY: I am not a recruiter (I'm very much a programmer at heart), but I do recruit people for my own teams, and in fact I regard building a strong team as possibly my most important responsibility. This is because without that strong team I can't really discharge my other key responsibilities effectively.