Live data from Hacker News

Ask HN: Do you meditate? How/Why?

news.ycombinator.com

111–120 of 122 posts

Re: Ask HN: Do you meditate? How/Why?

#111
It seems that people associate meditation with Zen-style sitting meditation, which seems to be the canonical example. However, there are also standing, walking and moving forms of meditation, as practiced in Tai Chi, Chi Kung, Ba Gua and Yoga.

These practices emphasize mind-body unity and alignment, and focus on the moment, and the results are very similar to sitting meditation, with the added advantage of physical involvement, and less time per session.

I do a Tai Chi short form at different times throughout the day, as a stress break. It only takes 5 minutes or so, and is very helpful in calming the mind and aligning the body. The down side is that the learning curve is long, and a teacher is needed, in order to ensure that ur doing it right.

Re: Ask HN: Do you meditate? How/Why?

#112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not possible to think nothing, so you think a thought that doesn't expand into something big. Like focus on breathing... occupy ur mind with it. Focus on birds chirping around.. Now your mind might wander off to ANGRY BIRDS but pull it back softly. And focus on just sound or sensation. Idea is to not think about something that expands into an essay. Helpful?

Is there a fundamental difference between this "relaxed" state and some form of exercise involving longer streaks of monotonous movement (say swimming) while focusing on the repetitive motions (and sensations) themselves?

Interesting! I don't think there is much difference. Let's see:

- Both are focusing moments

- Both require full attention to make any sense

- Both call for the best of you.

- Both are delicious (focusing on stuff is the fun of life, innit? )

But one calls for focus naturally (swimming) and the other needs deliberate focus against 'habit of thoughts'.

Hope that answers it.

Re: Ask HN: Do you meditate? How/Why?

#113
Thanks for posting this. It was great reading through this and seeing how meditation has helped people retain a little sanity in this crazy world. My take on meditation is heavier on faith than most of what I've read here so I thought I would submit it as an alternative.

I've been practicing zazen on a daily basis for almost twenty years now, and Tai Chi Chuan for almost as long. I am extra lucky in that my wife practices as well, and often we spend whole weekends and even vacations meditating together.

We get most of our inspiration to practice from Uchiyama Roshi, who wrote "Opening the Hand of Thought", and his student Shohaku Okumura who is now teaching in Bloomington, Indiana (and has just published "Realizing Genjokoan" which has also been profoundly helpful to us).

There have been many experiences both painful and joyous, but none of them last, no matter how much I've wanted them to. The lesson of course, is that you must let go, no matter what. According to Uchiyama, the first step to sincere practice is to clarify death. Since none of the stuff we normally value (status, wealth, relationships) stay with us when we meet that final experience, it is obvious that we must let go of them and settle on what is of true value. As a buddhist, what has true value is the true self, which is the self that is connected to all other beings. We practice zazen to let go of our petty self, and allow the true self to manifest, similar to how a Christian's or Muslim's true faith in God could allow God's love to act through them. For me, zazen has always been an act of faith towards the belief that there is this true self, that it is interconnected, and interdependent, and that it is in all of us and that it transcends each of us. This faith allows me to let go, to trust everything to zazen, and unclench however slightly from my selfish preoccupations.

I would say the greatest benefit of meditation for me is this realization that I can let go, that I am not a prisoner of my delusions no matter how persistent they may be, and also this faith in a true self that carries me through difficult circumstances and helps me correct course when my actions fall short of my ideals.

Re: Ask HN: Do you meditate? How/Why?

#114
I used to meditate regularly until I decided to take a break a couple of months ago.

On the positive side it has helped me a lot - lowered stress, better sleep, improved communication, creativity and a lot of the things others have already covered. I want to highlight a few things on the not so positive side.

1) lowered drive at work. I had to take more conscious effort to get myself to take action on things when I previously reacted quickly as I was more "on the edge". 2) feeling very emotional / sensitive. I found myself crying to myself a lot more and generally being affected by things around me.  3) Ignoring certain things that needed attention. I think at some point it started to become a crutch. Some relationships needed my attention / action in my personal life and I found myself doing nothing about it because I think in some way I started using meditation almost as some place I could escape into and feel good internally when externally things weren't great.

In spite of all the above, I want to resume my practice soon as I feel that the fact that I can see the issues give me the ability to address them. I highly recommend the site http://lorinroche.com

Re: Ask HN: Do you meditate? How/Why?

#115
post #65

I know I'll get some heat for this, but here it goes anyway. Disclaimer: I'm a Christian. Not of those that make the news or your typical "fundamentalist". I read and study the Bible and do my best to be a good person, understanding the world around me yet living as closely as possible from that which God has asked of me, through the Bible. And if you ask, I've been doing pretty good at it while remaining relevant in…

You said: 'But "emptying your mind" without filling it with the right things can have terrible consequences.'

Can you elaborate?

Re: Ask HN: Do you meditate? How/Why?

#117
I have found the Gil Fronsdal lectures mentioned elsewhere in the thread extremely good and helpful. I recommend meditation to people I think would benefit from it, but have difficulty in convincing them to do it, especially when their perception of meditating is "doing nothing".

Re: Ask HN: Do you meditate? How/Why?

#118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't recommend sitting against a wall. If you plan on meditating, I recommend investing in a zafu and zabuton. They'll provide much better back support than a wall or just the floor.

Wall is fine! But it is better if you can sit with back straight without any support at back. It keeps you alert.

Please explain: if it keeps you alert, you also have to concentrate your thoughts on this. Isn't this in contradiction to let all thoghts go? Thanks for an answer...

Re: Ask HN: Do you meditate? How/Why?

#119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

5 minutes a day? ;)

Better than zero. As a former collegiate gymnast myself, I happen to know that you don't have a long time to meditate (in the gymnastics world, it's called visualizing your routine) before it's your turn to compete. Being able to get into a meditative state quickly can make or break your performance. Take to long, and you don't reach the state, and are more prone to errors. Almost all of the high level gymnasts visua…

Interesting perspective.

Re: Ask HN: Do you meditate? How/Why?

#120
post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wall is fine! But it is better if you can sit with back straight without any support at back. It keeps you alert.

Please explain: if it keeps you alert, you also have to concentrate your thoughts on this. Isn't this in contradiction to let all thoghts go? Thanks for an answer...

You make me want to go into Zen teachings now. So I will summarize them as much as I can:

What I meant:

Thoughts: Things going on.

Alert: Being aware of something. Observing something (can be thoughts)

Not being alert: You will drift off to sleep.

Meditation: Focusing (as in deliberative) and/ or Observing something that doesn't go on into endless thinking tank.

Let go of thoughts: that become an essay. Start thinking about Python and you can write an essay right now. Start listening to your breathing. And release any other thought that comes in. Yes you can keep repeating word Python and try to release thoughts that follow but it's easier with things like sound and mantras.

Sure there is much more to it than what I've written but hope you get the idea.

Post reply on HN