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Re: Ask HN: How to self-learn math?

#112
>My current proficiency level is pre-high school mathematics as I didn't pay much attention in high school, learning effectively nothing.

Advice from someone who was in the same position: Take a class. Multiple classes. Go sign up for a Mathematics AS at your nearest community college right now. You will never know enough of what you don't know to learn this stuff on your own. A lot of it is just doing the painful repetition work of practicing problems over and over again, which is hard to force yourself into without a "coach" pushing you. Having a cohort of students to work through problems with is also priceless. And the drive of having accountable grading will keep you at it regularly.

It can be a bit awkward at first feeling stupid not knowing what a logarithm is in a room full of 18 year olds. But it's the only way to really get there. I went from high school dropout who didn't know how to add fractions to passing calculus in 18 months.

Re: Ask HN: How to self-learn math?

#113

I know people are recommending a lot of books here but I want to say this, I know a lot of you guys might going to shit on me but telling someone about 5-6 book in order to self-learn maths is never going to help. I see that when someone people ask for help instead of relating what he is really asking for that he wants to understand and learn math people start telling the names of these books that they knew about not…

I agree with the basic thrust of your comment, which as I interpret it boils down to saying it's unhelpful to throw book titles at a person without any context or guidance. However, I disagree with this point:

> If some 2-minute video gives you something actionable to do rather than going through a 2-hour chapter in textbook there is no point of going through 2-hour chapter. Knowledge is all about applying not learning the facts and saying it around to your friends I know it feels good but nothing comes out of it in real life.

There are optimal and suboptimal ways to learn things, sure. But some things legitimately cannot be reduced from a complicated textbook chapter to a straightforward YouTube video. You can improve exposition, but that comes with its own time efficiency trade-offs, and you won't meaningfully simplify the material without compromising significantly in depth of coverage. In particular, even extremely good video series like 3Blue1Brown's Linear Algebra have neither the breadth nor the depth to replace the material in any given chapter of e.g. Axler's Linear Algebra Done Right. The exposition is certainly clear, and you can get a nice overview, but you're actually not learning enough to apply the mathematics if you watch a video on it. Ironically, such a video is much more likely to leave someone able to talk about the subject but woefully incapable of actually doing it. The videos that can be used for learning are mostly lectures.

More importantly I think your conception of working through a chapter is incorrect. If you're spending a significant amount of time working through a textbook chapter, you're either 1) actively learning the material and doing the mathematics, not just passively reading it, or 2) you're not prepared for the material, and you're not learning efficiently. Finding a video to simplify the material doesn't resolve #2, it just disguises it. When you learn mathematics from a textbook, you should be applying the material by working through the exercises. You can't immediately jump into e.g. data analysis after learning linear algebra, and you certainly can't do so by watching a video on the subject.

I'm fully with you that replying to these questions with textbook recommendations is unhelpful, but not because they're textbooks. Textbooks are great! The hard reality is that you can't simplify most mathematics into an easily, quickly digested format, especially if you want to apply it. There are simply too many prerequisites for most material and too many unknown unknowns that can leave glaring blind spots. "There is no royal road to geometry" is a saying for precisely this reason.

Re: Ask HN: How to self-learn math?

#114
The last time people asked, I collected the responses so I could do the same thing as you. Note that I'm wanting to learn it in a way where I can do proofs. So, I have general-purpose books and stuff for that. I just ordered the three books I've seen pop up the most. Although 2 are in the mail, Concepts of Modern Mathematics by Stewart just got here yesterday. It had an awesome opening that made me wish the math I was taught in school was done like this back when I went. Makes newer stuff make a lot more sense, too. I included a link to Dover that has a Google Preview button on it where you can read full, first chapter for free to see if it's what you like. Other two are more about exploring and proving things which may or may not interest you. I added them in case anyone is reading your question to learn that stuff.

Concepts of Modern Mathematics by Stewart

https://www.amazon.com/Concepts-Modern-Mathematics-Dover-Boo...

Dover Version with Google Preview Button

http://store.doverpublications.com/0486284247.html

Introduction to Mathematical Reasoning: Numbers, Sets, and Functions

https://www.amazon.com/Introduction-Mathematical-Reasoning-N...

How to Prove It by Velleman

https://www.amazon.com/How-Prove-Structured-Approach-2nd/dp/...

Re: Ask HN: How to self-learn math?

#116
A lot of great resources and suggestions here, and I see some discussion of books vs teachers.

Let me suggest a strategic approach: decide on a goal that is not math, but is something you're interested in and requires math to achieve. Learning math for math's sake is a bit abstract, and can go many different directions, so it might help to pick a specific application of math as your vehicle, to be both motivated and focused.

For example, I love computer graphics, and making pictures via programming forces me to learn programming and math, and sometimes a bit of art too. It's hard to play with ShaderToy, for example, without doing some math, and how much math depends on what kind of picture you want to make.

Re: Ask HN: How to self-learn math?

#117
So, I decided to go back to study Math from the very basics to try some more advanced Data Science stuff later and I'm really enjoying Krista King's courses on Udemy.

They are very clear and straight to the point. She currently has courses on Fundamentals of Math, Algebra (I and II on the same course), Calculus (I, II, III, in separate courses) and Geometry and Trigonometry. She is also preparing some Probability & Statistics course and later a Linear Algebra one.

That is the only way I could self-learn Math without quitting after more than 12 years without doing math at all in real life. I was originally a Lawyer so I didn't care much for Math in school and didn't have anything relate to Math for all those years until now.

I tried a bunch of other paths, like challenges, For Dummies books, more advanced University open courses... Nothing stuck until her courses.

They are not free, but you can find basically permanent Udemy coupons to buy each course for USD 10.

Here is her profile: https://www.udemy.com/user/kristaking/

Re: Ask HN: How to self-learn math?

#119

I’m going to go with a few assumptions here: a) You don’t do this full time. b) By “bottoms up” you just mean “with firm grasp on fundamentals”, not logic/set/category/type theory approach. c) You are skilled with programming/software in general. In a way, you’re ahead of math peers in that you don’t need to do a lot of problems by hand, and can develop intuition much faster through many software tools available. Eve…

>Another thing you have going for yourself is - you can basically skip high school math and jump right in for the good stuff.

I'd strongly disagree with this. To the mathematically literate, concepts like "imaginary numbers", "prime numbers" and "logarithms" are just simply understood things which are familiar and have always been a part of your lexicon. These are actually wildly complex, abstract ideas which take years to fully grasp as an adult being first exposed to the material. Developing a mathematical intuition to the level of an advanced high schooler is no small feat for an adult with zero mathematical training. I'd strongly suggest anyone actually starting from zero mathematical knowledge to go back and spend time doing basic remedial math courses from the point of simple algebra and arithmetic with a good teacher to truly understand numbers first.

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