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Re: Ask HN: How did you move from IT/software to something unrelated?

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I worked as a software developer for 3 years until RSI struck me. It took me one year of rehab to be in a situation to live normal life. Life decided for me that I can't be a programmmer anymore. I had an engineering degree in Computer Engineering and it was hard for me to convince myself that I can't type anymore. It just wasn't possible physically. So after much furstration I decided to make a change. I went back t…

If you don't mind me asking. Were you able to trace it back to something that led to RSI ? Do you have any tips for people to avoid it in future.

Also, so glad to hear you were able to find something you like doing. RSI is stuff of nightmares.

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You write as if you are trapped in IT. You say you are burnt out. Perhaps the feeling you are trapped is coming from inside you rather than the world? Burn out comes from using willpower to force yourself to do work that you have no hope will succeed. The feeling of being trapped comes with that. The Fight Flight Freeze response. The feeling is inside you. You can fly to another industry but the feeling will go with…

"You can fly to another industry but the feeling will go with you and you will remain unsettled." I took a break from software development due to burn out, got my CDL and drove an 18 wheeler for a few months. The experience was practically a relaxing (after training) paid vacation where I could see the country, and made feel so much better. I was even able to go back to software development afterwards with renewed dr…

Agreed. As I wrote, you can and should change scenes but with the intent to do something fun or where you feel successful. OP seemingly wants to grind new skills the hard way but that is just more agony.

To regain a sense of control and success in ones life requires more than following through on feelings of escapism.

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post #101

I was a 4th-year student in a maths / CS programme in Eastern Europe and had a part-time job as a web developer. Over time, I got the impression that being a dev is a low-prestige job with very slim chances of moving into any position of power. So I abandoned programming entirely, enrolled in a masters' program in economics and in 3 years got a job in M&A advisory at an investment bank. Getting a finance job was not…

> I got the impression that being a dev is a low-prestige job with very slim chances of moving into any position of power.

It used to be like that in EE (Poland) in the first decade of 2000. Now, with remote jobs paying $10k+ per month and low costs of living, who cares about power? Unless you genuinely want to be "important" and not just well paid.

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The thing I regret not doing is sales. And I mean SALES. Selling plots of land in a swamp. Selling GIs suits of armour on an aircraft carrier. Selling fake Gucci jackets out of the boot of a car. I'm talking Glengarry Glen Ross shit and worse. If I had a career timeout I think that's what I might do. Bear with me here. It's like there's two ways of looking at what life is really about. On the one hand life is about s…

Building and selling is a wonderful thing. It gives FREEDOM.

Re: Ask HN: How did you move from IT/software to something unrelated?

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Answer: cell phone displaced my career/job

Taking a basic job like McD etc will give you new skills.

There will be plenty of upward mobility in service and retail if you show brains and hard work. You will stand out.

For me, going from office/ professional to service yielded these positives:

Working with young people. Youth keeps me feeling young. Plus i never realized that over50% of my old office environment was filled with adults that failed at marriage. Youth have everything in front of them and bring a great load of fun to work beside.

Feeling accomplished. Its easy to see how you help others in a service job. (i worked on the same system for years and never felt the way i do interacting with human customers.

My time after work. If im not on the clock the time is mine.

If you don't make the money you don't spend the money. It was difficult to see how I could have taken a 60% pay cut before i left the golden handcuffs job, but it was much easier than I fretted over.

But beware! Just like most McD employees could not get a job in tech the reverse is more than true. It is just not as obvious

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I went back to school and got a doctorate in botany. Now I am a staff scientist at a large state university. Working in tech gave me a lot of financial success, but it wasn't something I was passionate about.

This sounds great, congratulations. How hard was it? Were you outstanding in your field? (that's what people report on the internet on the difficulty on landing academia position in biology).

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh goodness, I'm glad someone found this intriguing, I think I came across as a bit self-promotional before :o It was mainly accidental that I got into digital learning. I was pretty traumatised from my degree, even today I still feel irrationally reluctant to code. But I've always been passionate about design and education. I also wanted to "self-heal" if you like, to repair myself as a person and as a learner. And…

Sorry if this comes off as harsh, but do you approach eLearning with this sort of wishy washy that most people tend to have in this field(as far as I observed), or do you know what you are doing, eg. the educational psychology behind it, and basing decisions on empirical evidence? "Many institutions move towards eLearning" - the impression I got from this topic is that its pretty much every time one of those "Ipad ca…

If I know what I'm doing? Hmm, I like to think that I can by paying close attention to the problem itself. Every organisation is unique, and though their problem sounds general and well-defined, it usually isn't. So as part of scoping, you need to dig further in order to gauge the actual problem - you may even realise that it's a symptom of a deeper problem in which case training isn't always the solution. This does mean that you have to immerse yourself in the organisation to understand the culture, biases, IT system, branding, language and so on - all this will also feed into your final design. And build relationships; rarely what people tell you at first actually match up with the real problem.

My rule is to start from first principles and work my way up as logically as I can. This helps to cut through the bullshit - yep, I agree with you that there is too much of it in L&D. However it's also useful to know core pedagogy theories and the latest fads, because it will help you speak in their language. Some of them are genuinely useful, but I find myself drawing mostly from design and behaviour science.

Digitalisation is a serious strategy though. You will be surprised at how dated some systems are in the biggest companies, and the amount of reluctance to adapt in the workforce. The mistake most companies do is to rush with digitalising their training, when there does need to be a proper transition sensitive to the workforce's needs and perceptions.

Although I've sung praises about eLearning here, personally I prefer blended learning - but the best ones require skill in creating the complementary digital component well.

Re: Ask HN: How did you move from IT/software to something unrelated?

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post #34

When my family moved to the Bay Area we owned a home. Rather than sell, we engaged a property manager to rent it out. We had a few years of excellent income from that which essentially paid the PITI (principal, interest, taxes, and insurance) on our FHA-financed home (including holding a "reserve" for repairs, vacancy, etc.) plus a (very small) profit. It definitely lit a fire in my belly to switch out. I find softwa…

The feelings are mutual for the most part and the interest shared. I think that'll be a good transition for you. Would you be staying in the Bay area where real estate is hyper expensive or start elsewhere?

Elsewhere. The Bay Area suffers a number of problems for people in my position and with an interest in real estate. Firstly there is the moral issue one commenter noted above: the artificially scarce housing here makes it so that the landlord class is effectively fomenting homelessness for all but the affluent and wealthy. Second there is the issue of ROI. I'm not in a position to purchase an apartment building or capital real estate, and anything smaller in scale is, frankly, a dumb use of money. I can get 5-7 times the house for my capital in plenty of places outside the Bay Area with better cash flow and without engaging the moral issue.

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I think the ESL/teaching English abroad thing is always an option. Being relatively young is def a good thing, imo. Olds are not so attractive to employers, career-switching or not. i had the chance to do project management after a long time being a dev/whatever, and it was actually really cool. also did some product mgmt and that was cool too. there are often companies looking for 'junior' folks with that stuff -- t…

Regarding the ESL, I guess it depends on where. FWIW I hear[0] that in Czechia there are so many foreigners whose only significant skill relative to locals is that they are native speakers, that the native English on its own is not enough anymore. The language schools now demand (and have for some time) an in-depth grammar knowledge and possibly relevant education as well. I would expect it to be the same in other Ce…

Would an MFA in Writing qualify? Asking for a friend... :D

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I stated my career early - while I was still in high school. I went from bagging groceries and doing checkouts at a grocery store to programming for a local company my senior year of high school. I continued doing this for my first couple years of college. But then dot-bomb happened and it looked like the party was over. I looked down at the job opportunities after graduation. I didn't really want to spend the rest o…

This sounds so awesome. If I leave programming, it's going to be for something outdoors like this. Thanks for sharing.
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