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Re: Ask HN: How much do you earn on average through software freelancing?

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It's a local one in Toronto; not one of the well-known ones online.

I am in Toronto. Would love to know the name, if you don't mind sharing.

Unlikely (s)he's interested in disclosing, judging by the throwaway name.

I'm in Toronto looking for agency work as well. It's been a while since I've done some.

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I used to charge $50 USD per hour, but I kept upping my rates. Soon I charged $100 per hour, and then $125 hour. The highest I ever got for programming/consulting was $150 USD per hour, but I don't charge that anymore. I've moved on to day rates. Now I bill around $800 per day, but I only work about 6 super-focused hours, and I use the Pomodoro method every day. My clients are happy because I get a lot of work done,…

I'm 18 years old, doing full-stack web dev for ~2 years (Django, node.js, whatever.js, no wordpress stuff) and charge ~35-40 euro/hour while studying computer science. I get most of my projects through word-of-mouth and I'm currently trying to create products that allow me to build a small company - I'm partnering up with some software developers, entrepreneurs and a project manager. It's not uncommon that web agenci…

For a student in germany that's a pretty good income. Think I earned less than 10€ at university back then :(

Regarding the question: 100-150€/h is not too unusual in the enterprise world. However it's more like what is paid to consulting/contracting companies than to freelancers. A lot of bigger companies that I know try to avoid freelancers nowadays and want to give contracts to bigger companies instead (e.g. for legal reasons).

My experience is also that high rates are mostly paid for some kind of generic or management consulting (not really technical) or if the contractor has a really great reputation at the company. For generic SW development your 70€ figure seems closer to the truth. For technical stuff the highest rates I have seen were for security related consulting and development.

Re: Ask HN: How much do you earn on average through software freelancing?

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Curious - how did you get things started?

If there are any programming/tech meetups in your area, go to them! Ask around for any work that needs to be done. Draft a quick talk on something you've worked on recently, and give it. Networking is a very powerful tool.

Thanks for the tips.

Re: Ask HN: How much do you earn on average through software freelancing?

#114

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I'm 18 years old, doing full-stack web dev for ~2 years (Django, node.js, whatever.js, no wordpress stuff) and charge ~35-40 euro/hour while studying computer science. I get most of my projects through word-of-mouth and I'm currently trying to create products that allow me to build a small company - I'm partnering up with some software developers, entrepreneurs and a project manager. It's not uncommon that web agenci…

Go remote across the ocean to the promised land of USA. Things in EU suck for software-people. Source: Have you ever read of someone making 200K+ in EU ? Me neither.

At least where I am from it is very strange for people to talk or write about what they earn. No one would tell you even if you would ask usually. Not that anyone would ask. But yes, have made that and know plenty of seniors that do. They would not boast about it though while, but that is the HN echo chamber maybe, everyone in the US spends solid amounts of time talking and worrying about it?

Re: Ask HN: How much do you earn on average through software freelancing?

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I used to charge $50 USD per hour, but I kept upping my rates. Soon I charged $100 per hour, and then $125 hour. The highest I ever got for programming/consulting was $150 USD per hour, but I don't charge that anymore. I've moved on to day rates. Now I bill around $800 per day, but I only work about 6 super-focused hours, and I use the Pomodoro method every day. My clients are happy because I get a lot of work done,…

I'm 18 years old, doing full-stack web dev for ~2 years (Django, node.js, whatever.js, no wordpress stuff) and charge ~35-40 euro/hour while studying computer science. I get most of my projects through word-of-mouth and I'm currently trying to create products that allow me to build a small company - I'm partnering up with some software developers, entrepreneurs and a project manager. It's not uncommon that web agenci…

>so I would like to hear what's necessary to charge something like 100-150 euro/hour -

Embedded, especially small footprint (32kb ram and that kind of thing) is an easy one.

Enterprise senior dev pays more than that as well if you are good. I ran gigs in Munchen for 150/hr and German friends of mine still do.

However 60k is that salary and is that gross or net? Think you are comparing apples and oranges; in the Netherlands, and Germany does not seem very different in that respect, if you get 60k salary, the company is actually paying more than 120k for you. So if you convert that to freelancing, you should be charging at least that 120k (which is less than 70/hr).

Re: Ask HN: How much do you earn on average through software freelancing?

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Nice! I too work on CodeIngiter and Laravel along with Angular and React. I live in India and the local companies pay peanuts, which means no local projects. How do I find more clients and projects in the US?

never met you - this is not bashing you - but I will tell you what not to do. * do not call or email me weekly for years on end telling me how great your programming is. i don't care - i have too much on my plate already. * do not join slack channels and pm each person individually telling them you want to start work on their php project. these two things have turned me off of almost all developers who are not in my…

> * do not call or email me weekly for years on end telling me how great your programming is. i don't care - i have too much on my plate already.

I receive too many random emails too. Absolutely annoying. A few weeks ago I received one that begin "Hello, I recently spent some time doing a site review of your website. (Yes, I do random site reviews for a living.)"

Wanting to call the bluff and wondering which website they claimed to have reviewed I replied "You don't say! What website are you speaking of?"

Their reply: "Thanks for your response. Actually i do email marketing so i usually send emails in bulk. I got your email id from domain directory, so i send you too. If you have any kind of requirement regarding Web Development or Digital Marketing please let me know. I will be happy to assist you.

Look forward to work for you!"

I knew it! My response: "Oh. So you didn't review my site."

Their response: "Thanks for your prompt response. I just reviewed your website, which is {real web site address}[1] and it seems that your website is in under process."

Do they also think I really believe their name is Steven Moore too? I wouldn't trust this person or company to ever do work for me...

[1] The site address was really there (not a template holder).

Re: Ask HN: How much do you earn on average through software freelancing?

#117

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Go remote across the ocean to the promised land of USA. Things in EU suck for software-people. Source: Have you ever read of someone making 200K+ in EU ? Me neither.

At least where I am from it is very strange for people to talk or write about what they earn. No one would tell you even if you would ask usually. Not that anyone would ask. But yes, have made that and know plenty of seniors that do. They would not boast about it though while, but that is the HN echo chamber maybe, everyone in the US spends solid amounts of time talking and worrying about it?

(it's the same in my country, about not showing wages). That just makes things worse for us software-people.

I didn't write about knowing anyone personally, just about reading on the web. Your message is the first one that I've seen.

Since you have a .nl domain, I'm a little surprised about it. (was excepting something like London/SW).

Re: Ask HN: How much do you earn on average through software freelancing?

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I come from the other side. I hire programers for my side projects and i have seen it all. As an entrepreneur the only thing i care about is that i have a working software. Some programers think they should be paid a lot of money but have very poor skills. If you are good at what you do, people will recognize that and you will be paid a higher wage. Just be good at your job and everything will workout.

Re: Ask HN: How much do you earn on average through software freelancing?

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I am in Toronto. Would love to know the name, if you don't mind sharing.

Unlikely (s)he's interested in disclosing, judging by the throwaway name. I'm in Toronto looking for agency work as well. It's been a while since I've done some.

Oh I hope that's not the case. They were asking others for help, it would be a shame if they were not willing to offer the same help to others.

Re: Ask HN: How much do you earn on average through software freelancing?

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I'm 18 years old, doing full-stack web dev for ~2 years (Django, node.js, whatever.js, no wordpress stuff) and charge ~35-40 euro/hour while studying computer science. I get most of my projects through word-of-mouth and I'm currently trying to create products that allow me to build a small company - I'm partnering up with some software developers, entrepreneurs and a project manager. It's not uncommon that web agenci…

Go remote across the ocean to the promised land of USA. Things in EU suck for software-people. Source: Have you ever read of someone making 200K+ in EU ? Me neither.

It is not so easy to legally immigrate to the US. It is long and involved process, and then you're usually more or less stuck with the company that sponsored you, at least for a while.
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