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Re: Ask HN: Anyone else planning to head back to Microsoft?

#101

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There's a really good chance this is a "new" Microsoft. Gates and Ballmer were the "old school" Microsoft that only thought that obstructing the competition was the best path to success. The new CEO Satya Nadela built the Azure platform, the most "open" technology that Microsoft has. His mantra is "mobile first, cloud first". This outlook is the opposite of Ballmer's, which was to drive everybody back to Windows. Mic…

Ok... but we've seen this new, better Microsoft behavior for like 2 or 3 years while they've been in a pretty down or leveled position after a history of bad behavior dating back to basically their inception. Have they genuinely changed or are they just being forced by their new market positions to behave better? None of your examples point to a MS doing things for the right reasons and trying to regain trust, they p…

Well, I said they are in a better position to do the things to earn your trust, I didn't say you should necessarily have it yet.

Microsoft picked Satya because they were backed into a corner, but everything I've seen from this man tells me he's the real deal and believes that a multi-platform strategy is the right then and the best way to earn revenue. However, as with any company, expect them to have a bias towards things that will make them the most money. At the present time and the foreseeable future, for me, it appears that the interests of Microsoft are in alignment with the interests of users of all platforms.

If they gain the dominant or monopoly position in something again...what would that be, and in what decade do you suggest it will happen? If holographic computing somehow takes off, that appears to be the only place where they are positioned to lead a market in the near future.

If it's a question of Apple or Microsoft, Microsoft appears to be the good guy these days, as Apple is still building their walled garden. Microsoft is being a major contributor to Open Source code though. Everything on the new Microsoft stack is getting open sourced as quickly as possible. They make the best commercial software tool in the world for making software (Visual Studio), and it is particularly adept at deploying .NET software, so they are opening that up to the world to get .NET in as many places as people want it. They are also opening up Visual Studio to a variety of languages, and making it a development tool for cross platform development for iOS and Android. They want to sell Visual Studio.

Trust takes time though. Keep your eye on them and compare Microsoft to their peers, you may be surprised by what you see.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone else planning to head back to Microsoft?

#102
> With Microsoft's improvements in how they do business and greatly improved understanding of open source I'm really starting to think more seriously about heading back into their technology realm for some years and see how it works out.

I never completely left it, especially not at , but I certainly feel more interested in it then I have for a while.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone else planning to head back to Microsoft?

#103
Never left them in the first place. Great products actually.

Also lots of hardware available, everything is upgradeable. Not like MBP with soldered RAM, soldered SSD, weak ventilation system, no LAN and just 2 USB ports. Can buy a laptop or assemble your own desktop workstation.

Linux I don't know. It still looks ugly and no great apps available for it. Visual Studio for Linux? Adobe tools for Linux? Of course not. Just amateur toys and fonts with ragged edges. Thanks but no thanks.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone else planning to head back to Microsoft?

#104

When Windows 10 comes out I'll probably pull the trigger and get a Microsoft Surface for testing, but I don't think I'll ever leave OS X for Windows. (to name a few) 1: Recently helped a friend install a new hard drive in a Lenovo Edge 15 only to find out the laptop has problems with Crucial SSDs (it brought back to many driver / hardware compatibility issues from my past jobs) 2: Features like Dashboard, Expose, Not…

1. At least you can replace the hard drive easily in a PC. I had to remove 21 screws with a special screw driver to get an SSD into my MBP. 2. Windows doesn't need Expose because Alt+Tab actually works. There are equivalents available for Dashboard and Notifications (like Growl). 3. I've never seen a Mac with as much freedom and flexibility as a PC, but I have seen touchpads that work well. Who wants to use a touchpa…

Instead of Growl, consider Snarl. I found that it works as well, if not better, and is actively developed, where Growl seems to have stagnated. Growl also hijacks an important Emacs hotkey. Personally I'd like to see Snarl/Growl integrate with the new Notifications center in Windows 10. This way you could have applications written for Windows and other Operating Systems share a common notifications API that is exposed through native implementations on each OS.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone else planning to head back to Microsoft?

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post #94

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I bet you still have to install things that you need on your Mac though. Why the false dichotomy then? Install what you need on Windows and you'll be able to do all of those things.

I find that you can get the same types of programs on Windows, but you have to deal with every UI being a unique snowflake and the (subjectively) high chance of malware from my experience. Also the installing of CLI programs seems to be really hacky through powershell.

For installing, don't forget about Nuget. Use Chocolatey today and although I don't know what the Windows 10 system will be called, they've already announced an OS system based on that tech.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone else planning to head back to Microsoft?

#106
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No the best UI. Not Unix. Not a major mobile platform. Dominates a huge but dying market. Why would you do that?

I always over time consider options, Microsoft doesn't have Gates running it any more so maybe they really are turning over a new leaf. It was heavy on my mind this week and lead to the question, not making any hasty moves.

Gates hasn't been at the helm for a decade as he's been working on his foundation ... until recently -- now Gates is actually back but not running things. I think you meant Balmer.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone else planning to head back to Microsoft?

#107
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What puzzles me is that MS refuses to get away from the OS in many many versions: Home, Pro, Enterprise, Education, Mobile and Mobile Enterprise. You would think that they would have copied Apple on OS and Server and be done with it. source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_10#Editions_and_pricing

Most people only need Home. That changes when you need to log into an Active Directory, but suffices for most personal use. This differentiation allows Microsoft to sell two different SKUs and makes Windows more cost effective for 90% of households. For most users, the question will be Home or Pro. It also shouldn't be a surprise that for the last several years you can buy a Pro Pack for Home that will upgrade your system to the Pro SKU for about the same cost as the difference between Home and Pro.

If you need one of the other SKUs, they are special circumstances and you probably already know which version you need, and you also will be getting those licenses through non-retail channels.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone else planning to head back to Microsoft?

#108

When Windows 10 comes out I'll probably pull the trigger and get a Microsoft Surface for testing, but I don't think I'll ever leave OS X for Windows. (to name a few) 1: Recently helped a friend install a new hard drive in a Lenovo Edge 15 only to find out the laptop has problems with Crucial SSDs (it brought back to many driver / hardware compatibility issues from my past jobs) 2: Features like Dashboard, Expose, Not…

btw, Expose is now called Mission Control

Re: Ask HN: Anyone else planning to head back to Microsoft?

#109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hardware concerns are really a moot point, as you can always run Windows on your favorite flavor of Mac hardware. That's really the only way that I ever run Windows these days.

Couldn't agree more. The reason I'll never go back to windows is simple: no POSIX, no deal. I want my ZSH and gnu tools. And no, cygwin doesn't count.

Why not Cygwin?

Re: Ask HN: Anyone else planning to head back to Microsoft?

#110
post #76

When Windows 10 comes out I'll probably pull the trigger and get a Microsoft Surface for testing, but I don't think I'll ever leave OS X for Windows. (to name a few) 1: Recently helped a friend install a new hard drive in a Lenovo Edge 15 only to find out the laptop has problems with Crucial SSDs (it brought back to many driver / hardware compatibility issues from my past jobs) 2: Features like Dashboard, Expose, Not…

Long-time OS X user here. I bought my wife a Surface Pro 3 recently. We both love it. The pen is beyond excellent. The touch-screen works as well as Apple's own touchpad. The new start screen works as a fine replacement for Dashboard. Installing CygWin lets me use all the linux tools I want. I'm sure the new start menu and continuity stuff in Windows 10 will be just as good as with Apple, if not better. Sublime Text…

Same here. I actually moved from a 13" Retina MacBook Pro to a Surface Pro 3. Can do everything and love it.
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