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Ask HN: Loneliness at 19, how to cope?

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Re: Ask HN: Loneliness at 19, how to cope?

#101
After a life with no friends, I found meaning and purpose in my faith, which helped me grow out of my antisocial behaviors. Joining a faith community at the start of my college years gave me a safe space to interact as I matured, and that changed my life.

My childhood was a life of constant transition. Despite my outgoing personality, we moved often, so I had few acquaintances and no lasting friends. Critically, I rarely saw my father, a socially, athletically, intellectually, financially successful man whose affirmation and guidance I would have benefitted from. With no friends and no dad I was adrift.

In my teens I began to idealize romantic companionship, but my emotional neediness drove away anyone I was interested in. This feedback loop (loneliness causing antisocial behavior, reinforcing loneliness) needed to be broken.

The turn around in my life was coming to faith in Jesus in college. I started consistently attending a campus Bible study, and made several lifelong friends, and many more positive relationships. With an active, relationship oriented community, I no longer craved romantic validation, so my disposition to women gradually shifted from neediness to cordially but confidently focusing on other things. It took a few years for this dynamic to mature in me, but by the time I was a college senior, several women around me started expressing interest in me — something I’d never experienced before. A couple of them were not my type, but one in particular turned out to be a generous, agreeable woman with a kind family, who was also quite gorgeous, someone my younger self never could have attracted. I married her, and now I get to be the father that I never had to our children.

Reading your post reminds me of the ache I felt as a young man. But I think that if you find your purpose, you can find your people. And while you never fully “arrive” there is a peace you get just from journeying in the right direction.

Re: Ask HN: Loneliness at 19, how to cope?

#102
I am quite a bit older than you, so my perspective is probably a bit different, but I have learned that friendships come from shared situations and experiences. You're not going to get it from books unfortunately, and the "methods" described in some books might come across as less genuine.

First of all, have realistic expectations. You might not find that _one_ friend easily that can fulfill all your needs in one package, but you can become part of friend groups. Individual connections might grow from that.

To get there:

1. Ensure you are in a place where things are happening, e.g. a larger town or city. This just gives you more options, but even small towns have things happening.

2. Become part of social hobbies, where people frequently meet at an organized time and place. e.g. team sports, local theater groups, book club, makerspace, cooking courses, etc...., whatever you have an interest in. Pick more than one if you can. Live firmly in the real world and not online.

3. Show up and keep showing up, you need to become a familiar face to people. One-off gatherings aren't great for this, but work with what you've got.

4. Participate. Are they looking for volunteers for event X, participate. Do they need someone to help do Y, participate. People are getting together to do race Z, participate. Someone needs an hour help moving some stuff, show up. No need to overdo it, just be there and be seen as a reliable part of the group.

5. Be patient.

Especially participate in new things or initiatives, the groups are less firmly set in stone and it's easier to become part of something. Plus by participating you'll learn of other things happening in the community.

If you "don't like anything", work with what's available and pick the things that are most OK. Part of liking things is doing them. If you're in a tiny village where they only play soccer once a week, well guess what, you're going to learn to play soccer now. The activity is the excuse to be around people. If small talk bores you but small talk is what's on offer, have small talk. Life is not a stream of "big moments", the mundane is the glue.

Do not expect anything. Keep any ego firmly in check. Go with the flow and be relaxed, whatever happens happens. People can smell neediness.

Good luck !

Re: Ask HN: Loneliness at 19, how to cope?

#103

Do you have any hobbies or interests outside of school? If you're passionate about something, you'll be more interesting to people. It'll give you personality. Even if they don't have the same interest, they will ask you about it. And obviously, you'll also meet people who have the same interests. I'll give you an extreme example: there was a Claude AI chatbot that was obsessed with the Golden Gate Bridge. This bot (…

I like programming, electronics, reading, maths and am getting a bike this week so I can spend more time outside! I love talking about these things with other people, and from what I can gather from their body language and facial expressions they also enjoy hearing what I have to say about my interest. But I also enjoy letting them talk about what they like to do so I can get to know them!

sounds great, don't forget to join your local makerspace / hackerspace !

Re: Ask HN: Loneliness at 19, how to cope?

#104
I'm curious, can you say more about what happens when you go through a conflict with someone who might be a friend? For example, when someone blames you or ignores your text or rejects you? How do you tend to feel? What do you tend to do in response?

Re: Ask HN: Loneliness at 19, how to cope?

#105
post #97

Hobbies. Social hobbies. It kind of doesn't matter which, just pick one. Show up religiously. Try your best to talk to people. Having a shared hobby/interest makes for easy conversation and ice breakers. Don't expect to make friends immediately but if you stick with it, show some vulnerability, avoid ego, etc it will happen. Good people are attracted to good people. I'm personally into rock climbing and the social sc…

> Try your best to talk to people. Having a shared hobby/interest makes for easy conversation and ice breakers.

Unfortunately for OP, they have a distaste for small talk, and yet small talk is the launchpad for any potential conversation partner.

Small talk is the lubricant for all social interactions and provides a safe, shallow harbor where people can get to know each other before heading out to deeper waters that require more earned trust. People actively reject small talk come across as socially awkward, uninterested, or both.

Re: Ask HN: Loneliness at 19, how to cope?

#106
Could be a lot of things and probably a bit of everything. You might have social anxiety, even if you don't feel particularly shy. If you're too clammed up, people recognize that and keep a certain distance. It could also be that you have a very rigid personality. It might simply be a matter of lack of socialization. I don't think there is any way to diagnose this and pinpoint the problem. Learning how to be social is very much a lot like learning how to program: try lots of things, spend a lot of time doing it, and don't be afraid of breaking things. Eventually you'll develop your own methods to keep people entertained and then people will take more interest in you.

Been there, done that.

BTW, you're 19 and actually at 19 this is not all that abnormal. Lots of kids in college find themselves in your situation.

Re: Ask HN: Loneliness at 19, how to cope?

#108
post #97

Hobbies. Social hobbies. It kind of doesn't matter which, just pick one. Show up religiously. Try your best to talk to people. Having a shared hobby/interest makes for easy conversation and ice breakers. Don't expect to make friends immediately but if you stick with it, show some vulnerability, avoid ego, etc it will happen. Good people are attracted to good people. I'm personally into rock climbing and the social sc…

> Try your best to talk to people. Having a shared hobby/interest makes for easy conversation and ice breakers. Unfortunately for OP, they have a distaste for small talk, and yet small talk is the launchpad for any potential conversation partner. Small talk is the lubricant for all social interactions and provides a safe, shallow harbor where people can get to know each other before heading out to deeper waters that…

I hate small talk. Never needed it to make friends.

Re: Ask HN: Loneliness at 19, how to cope?

#109
You are 19. Why do you care? Who gives a damn? Most people are a waste of time, so why are you wasting so much time thinking about that?

The problem when you are 19 is you don't realise that you are young. You are already using language like 'my entire life', your entire life is nothing right now, most of that time you were way too young to even have much of a life apart from being a child.

So my advice is just relax, it doesn't matter. The issue is you think it does and I get you, because that is what everyone thinks at that age, but trust me when you are older you will understand, the issue is not much is going to help you right now and you prob think I am being a dick. But if you somehow remember this post in ten years time, you will be like 'that guy was right'

Go explore and enjoy life. You can do that on your own and the more you do that and the more you can get from that, the more other people will want to be around you and then it will be up to you if you want to let them in or not.

Re: Ask HN: Loneliness at 19, how to cope?

#110
First off, definitely go to a therapist. Talking 1on 1 with someone about deep personal topics might be a lot, but it does help. Group therapy can also help, and it can improve your listening and empathy.

Aside from that, I’d evaluate your behavior, personally I’ve always struggled with food addiction and often used that as a crutch to deal with loneliness. Be honest with yourself and check your coping mechanisms- playing video games, doomscrolling, alcohol, etc.. It’s easy to think of these things as relatively harmless ways to blow off steam, but over relying on them can change how you interact with the world, and thus how you’re perceived by others.

As for more practical suggestions, if you’re into listening to music, see if any of the local venues have shows you’d be interested in. Finding people who are passionate about the same music you are is a great shortcut to finding potential friends.

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