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Re: Ask HN: What are people doing to get off of VMware?

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Post by linsomniac »

ohdeardear wrote: post #92
Nux wrote: post #70

Microsoft gaining the most I reckon. Kind of sad seeing businesses getting screwed by closed source proprietary software, then making the same choices all over again. Nutanix also seeing huge demand. Not everyone is repeating their mistakes, with Proxmox and Xcp-ng seeing huge new level of business, as well, which is nice. I'm part of the Apache CloudStack project and that too is seeing unparalleled levels of demand.…

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Curious, I ditched our last VMWare servers ~a decade ago for KVM (via ganeti) for 100-200VMs running our dev, stg, and production loads, and it's been super reliable.

Re: Ask HN: What are people doing to get off of VMware?

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Post by kaliszad »

ghaff wrote: post #32
theossuary wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think Proxmox is anywhere near ready for that sort of shift. It's interesting what a big hole in the market VMWare is leaving and nothing quite fills it. OpenStack is the closest, but way more complicated than VMWare, and doesn't work at all for smaller deployments.

I’m not sure that’s true for larger scale installs but small scale VMware installs are probably less easily replaced by solutions that are also as well supported and have a path for expanding. Doing a head-on VMware takeout path hasn’t been a good business strategy for companies that tried it.

For small SMBs using Proxmox is reasonably ok-ish. Running in production for 2+ years already our customers are quite happy. We also sent some patches to Proxmox for other much larger clients...

Re: Ask HN: What are people doing to get off of VMware?

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Post by cookiengineer »

Check out libvirtd based stacks, because that's what's supported by upstream Linux.

Some shops here migrate to proxmox as a UI because of certification requirements, but I migrated some of my customers to cockpit dashboard, and some to kubernetes. It's always a matter of scale and provisioning requirements.

Cockpit is my favorite so far because it's easy to setup, but its focus isn't cluster scale, which is what most larger companies need. You have to setup basically two cockpit variants: the webui and lots of cockpit server daemons (aka libvirtd on remote machines). The webui then uses SSH to login to other machines to manage them (e.g. via the known_hosts file on the webui server). [3]

Proxmox is pretty old and Perl, but it's doable. Usually storage clustering is a bit painful because you need something on a filesystem layer like ceph clusters.

There's also openshift but no idea if that is an IBM/RedHat lock-in as well, so the SMEs didn't want that risk.

[1] https://cockpit-project.org/

[2] https://www.proxmox.com/en/

[3] https://cockpit-project.org/guide/latest/feature-machines.ht...

Re: Ask HN: What are people doing to get off of VMware?

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Post by al_borland »

ofrzeta wrote: post #13

Red Hat is offering OpenShift virtualization, which is Kubernetes with Kubevirt. So some people might just use Kubernetes with Kubevirt. There's also Harvester "open source hyperconverged infrastructure" https://harvesterhci.io/ Or some Xen spinoff like https://xcp-ng.org/ Smaller shops are migrating to Proxmox.

Red Hat has an implementation of OpenStack, which is more of a VMware replacement than OpenShift is.

Re: Ask HN: What are people doing to get off of VMware?

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Post by garganzol »

AzN1337c0d3r wrote: post #14
yuvadam wrote: post #5

Out of the loop: what's up with VMware?

Bought by Broadcom, now implementing classic strategy of leveraging vendor lock-in to milk customers.

Not only that, add dip downs in quality. For instance, VMware was famous for stuter-less graphics, now it's a 15 FPS show.

Milking customers is already a thin ice but in combination with declining quality it's a death sentence.

Re: Ask HN: What are people doing to get off of VMware?

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Post by chanux »

fragmede wrote: post #91
1970-01-01 wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

3rd party trust is not a joke. Why should they drop what they're doing to go and audit a new critical vendor?

Because the old vendor started charging 10x the price

This. This always gets them. Just a matter of time.

Re: Ask HN: What are people doing to get off of VMware?

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Post by bluGill »

sokoloff wrote: post #75

Broadcom turned up the heat on our pot fast enough that we’re evacuating over to proxmox. I and several others in IT had run it at home for a while, so when Broadcom made the definite losses to continue on VMWare far higher than the likely losses from any migration outage, it became a no-brainer to migrate. Migrating part of the farm and A/B testing shows good results and we’ll be able to complete it in-place before…

I place Broadcom higher. At least Oracle seems to want customers that pay. I can't find evidence that of Broadcom wanting customers.

Re: Ask HN: What are people doing to get off of VMware?

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Post by jesterson »

xd1936 wrote: post #79

Non-Profit Liberal Arts Higher Ed here. Trying to move to the Azure Hybrid Cloud as fast as possible. Going to have to eat one more year of 170% price hike in our current VMware contract. Heard from a peer school on the east coast that had to sign a 600% hike in their most recent contract. Absolutely evil.

I would not call it evil. Orgs are _voluntarily_ making the choice to lock in for expensive useless proprietary software by either being stupid or - actually evil - receiving kickbacks from those proprietary companies.

Every manager signing off the contract with vendor lock in should understand possible repercussions. Its not a rocket science. Yep they will screw you along the way with prices. Yea, that sales rep saying they won't is a lying bastard that can't care ess about your business the moment your pen raised from your signature in contract.

But people still believe in tales aren't they

Re: Ask HN: What are people doing to get off of VMware?

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Post by garganzol »

ohdeardear wrote: post #87

I hate virtualization with a passion, because it's just more crap that doesn't work written by people that shouldn't touch computers. In theory, it's great. In practice, if you need to get "support" from someone else, it's not so great anymore, as all these companies have been discovering. I would use VM technology if whoever wrote it would provide me with a contract saying that if anyone were to find just one progra…

The only kind of person who would say that they hate virtualization is a hardware vendor. Because of conflict of interests.

In this light, Broadcom, a hardware vendor, who buys a popular virtualization product does a "smart" move - it supposedly eliminates the very thing that eats away their profits. But it only looks smart to the vendor itself. For everyone else, the move looks unprofessional and incompetent.

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