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Ask HN: Where to Work After 40?

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Re: Ask HN: Where to Work After 40?

#101
I'm 59 and doing the most technical and hands-on work of my life.

When I was 40, I was a few years into my consulting gig, and that went very well for a long time (I'm a cybersecurity guy with a strong ICAM and PKI background, located in the Ottawa area, so there was plenty of work with government clients.)

But I was starting to tire of the consulting grind and found I was doing a lot of the same-old-same-old in most contracts (TRAs, PIAs, audits, etc., and, after incidents, explaining to senior management how recommendations made 6-12 months previously might have prevented or at least greatly mitigated said incident).

I was fortunate: 6ish years ago, I was winding down a couple of contracts through a friend's company and he needed someone to fill a gap and knew I had downtime, so I started a contract with him, 90+% WFH. Every few months we'd chat about where he was taking his company and about what the future product teams would need (he'd bid successfully on a pair of unrelated PoC-to-product contracts, one hardware, one software, and was looking to take things to the next level).

Long story short, 5.5 years ago I retired my shingle and returned to full time "wage slavery" (tongue firmly in cheek), almost 100% WFH. My initial role was to work with customers, fill gaps, learn fast, build fast, and move on, and our plan was to move me into a business-development-slash-product-management role, which appealed to me because of two previous contracts that had a lot of that (he'd worked on one of those and knew what I brought to the table).

You know that old saw about life being what happens when you are making other plans? Yeah, that happened :->

My title now is Director, Special Projects, but what that really means is "our customers think this is critical, no one has any idea how to do it, make it happen". It's more a senior/staff engineering position in some ways, mostly systems programming, the levels getting progressively lower (my Christmas holiday reading has been the excellent Mara Bos book on Rust Atomics).

I'm far more technical now than ever before, entirely hands-on, and it's fantastic. It helps tremendously that I work with a great team, people I've known for years, but hadn't worked directly with until now, and that our boss, my friend, understands how complex is what we are doing and how we need regular breaks and downtime; at the same time, the entire team knows how important are revenue and deadlines.

My advice, if I have any, and it all comes with a strong dose of YMMV, is two-fold:

One, it will be OK. You will be OK.

40 isn't the end, nor is 50, and I doubt 60 will be either. I'm pretty sure I'm going to spend the time around my 65th year working on ABE and data filtering in FPGAs, but that's just a guess. :->

Two, work your network.

Talk to your friends and colleagues, ask who's doing what, what the gaps are, where they think they are going, and what they might need. You have skills, others need them, do NOT under any circumstances undervalue or dismiss them.

I won't advise or even suggest consulting, because it isn't for everyone, and the kinds of contracts that, IMHO, at least, best allow you to explore the space and build a better network, are, by their nature, stressful: short term, possibly requiring travel, and sometimes spread out such that when one ends you don't know when the next will begin. But if you are OK with a certain degree of churn, uncertainty, and repetition, then it might be something to consider.

Regardless of how and where you go, remember Advice One: It will be OK, you will be OK, 40 isn't the end.

Re: Ask HN: Where to Work After 40?

#102

I have a couple ideas for you from my own experience. There's about a bajillion C/D+ stage 100-500 person software companies in any B2B vertical you could mention who would fight hard for your type of experience. Not necessarily SaaS click-and-drool tools for corporate drones, but unique and opinionated products that have some significant engineering innovation inside. Those companies have essentially no ability to a…

This. 1000% this. I'm 57 and still kicking around the industry deliberately choosing companies like the ones described.

It's also important to note that I have a small network of people also working for companies like this who have helped me and sometimes have outright hired me.

Re: Ask HN: Where to Work After 40?

#103
post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about non-SREs? I get SREs need to be always on-call but I'm not sure about other positions.

I really don’t understand that - if you have 20 SREs why would you need to be on call more than 3 weeks a year? If you do get called frequently then you should probably be working shifts anyway.

20 SREs, assuming two different time zones, means ten weeks per year. You need two people in the same continent for the same 12h shift, so that one can drive, take the train home, shower, etc. Within five weeks, you have gone through the entire team.

If your pager response SLO is not that strict and is not impacted by such routines, then you probably can't justify staffing a team of 20, either.

Re: Ask HN: Where to Work After 40?

#104
post #97
post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Neither desire or need was mentioned, only want, which addresses both desire and need. If financial security is what the OP wants, the parent comment already has him covered.

If you can coherently differentiate "want" from "desire", I'd love to hear it. :)

Per the dictionary, want is defined as: "ought, should, or need to do something." That which you ought, need, or should do is not necessarily what you desire. As it relates the conversation, financial stability is not likely a desire in and of itself, but it may be what you need.

Re: Ask HN: Where to Work After 40?

#105

At 60, I applied to Canonical and got hired. The hiring process is thorough but very fair, all WFH, and they generally don't care about personal attributes. Gave me 20% above my asking price and a higher starting rank than expected.

How similar was the hiring process you experienced to this summary? https://old.reddit.com/r/recruitinghell/comments/15kj845/can...

Re: Ask HN: Where to Work After 40?

#106
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What do you care about? Money, stableness, scope or opportunities? I know people who "settle down" in companies with well-known work-life balance (usually develop for B2B products). I know many more people who stayed at the same company and climbed the corporate ladder. I know people who jump to a different, big company for better compensation and work in different areas. I also know a small fraction of people who cr…

Not OP but I want to help the end users and be appreciated and paid reasonably well to do so. No double-speak, no politics, no manifesto driven development but actually helping people with their problems and making their lives easier without getting killed in the process. How do I find such jobs?

Re: Ask HN: Where to Work After 40?

#107
I'm a few years your junior but at the same time the youngest in my team. So far it seems that the 40s are the new 30s, because there's nothing notable about my coworkers being in their 40s save for their work experience.

And I can imagine why - there were quite simply too few people born in countries with a 95%+ literacy rate over the past 20 years for the usual generational turnover to occur.

Re: Ask HN: Where to Work After 40?

#108
post #104
post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you can coherently differentiate "want" from "desire", I'd love to hear it. :)

Per the dictionary, want is defined as: "ought, should, or need to do something." That which you ought, need, or should do is not necessarily what you desire. As it relates the conversation, financial stability is not likely a desire in and of itself, but it may be what you need.

There is no "the dictionary". E.g.:

desire: transitive verb: To wish or long for; want

- The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition

desire: verb [T not continuous]: (WANT)

- The Cambridge Dictionary

(et cetera ad nauseam)

Re: Ask HN: Where to Work After 40?

#109

As someone comin up on 50 myself, I have to say age has yet to be an issue with my career. Maybe I don't go out of my way to advertise it (cut the resume down to the past 10 or so years, don't have a face full of white hair), but I'm still landing plenty of the same ole gigs with Typescript, Ruby on Rails, Python, whatever the flavor of the month is. So I guess my advice is to just ignore it? Of course, trying not to…

I'm mid-40s and have a lot of older friends. Age doesn't matter for experienced people. Skill is independent of age. Wisdom usually isn't.

Age does matter for experience though.

And "experience" is what allows one software architect to select the right stack, and the other to select something that turned out to be abandonware half a year later. It is what allows one developer to introduce abstractions in exactly the right place, and another to either overabstract or turn stuff into a tangled mess. It's what allows one team lead to estimate the right time and resources for a project, while the other keeps missing deadlines or burning out team-members.

I'm going towards my fifties now. And I have made, or been part of, so many mistakes, failures, errors and stupid decisions. Much more than the average 20-something colleague. I've seen software projects survive 10+ years of continuous change just fine, and others to grind to a screetching halt after even 8 months already.

I'm selling this experience now. As freelancer. I still like to write code. But the experience allows me to often not write it in the first place. Or to write very little of it. Or to map out a path that allows us to write it fast today and continue to do so in the next 15 years.

Re: Ask HN: Where to Work After 40?

#110
47 here, and I've worked for the same very small company for about 15 years, in a role where I'm the primary architect and responsible for every layer of the stack. Along the way, I've done side consulting, as much to keep fresh as for the money, primarily for similarly small companies where I usually report direct to the owner. I've been the most miserable when I find myself as a cog in a bigger wheel. The times I've dipped my toes in managing folks it's shined a spotlight on the fact that is not a competency I have.
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