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Ask HN: Why did consumer 3D printing take so long to be invented?

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Re: Ask HN: Why did consumer 3D printing take so long to be invented?

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The pieces did NOT exist in the 1970s. Fast microcontrollers, stepper motors, precision miniaturized manufacturing, reliable and cheap miniaturized DC electronics, and far far more technology was non-existent at any kind of affordable price point. Look at kitchen appliances or metal/wood shop machinery from this era, still heavily analog, mostly made from sheet steel, mostly non-computerized. The 80s would bring bett…

Given that it is possible to make a 3D printer out of old dot matrix printer parts and given that matrix printers were introduced in the '70s (Centronics [1] claims its model 101. launched in 1970 was the first impact dot matrix printer) it would have been possible to create 3D printers in the '70s. While the hardware and controlling firmware would have been possible to build back then it would have been quite useless without the software needed to create 3D models to print on the device.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centronics

Re: Ask HN: Why did consumer 3D printing take so long to be invented?

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The pieces did NOT exist in the 1970s. Fast microcontrollers, stepper motors, precision miniaturized manufacturing, reliable and cheap miniaturized DC electronics, and far far more technology was non-existent at any kind of affordable price point. Look at kitchen appliances or metal/wood shop machinery from this era, still heavily analog, mostly made from sheet steel, mostly non-computerized. The 80s would bring bett…

Given that it is possible to make a 3D printer out of old dot matrix printer parts and given that matrix printers were introduced in the '70s (Centronics [1] claims its model 101. launched in 1970 was the first impact dot matrix printer) it would have been possible to create 3D printers in the '70s. While the hardware and controlling firmware would have been possible to build back then it would have been quite useles…

However, the Centronics interface was designed to allow them to build the printer without including a microcontroller in it. (Microprocessors of any kind were several years off.) It wasn't until the mid to late 01970s that it became common to include microcontrollers in printers.

As for the question of software for 3D models, see my overview of the history of that field in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42080437.

Re: Ask HN: Why did consumer 3D printing take so long to be invented?

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post #71

It took that long because nobody was working on it, because it wasn't obvious that a low-cost 3-D printer was feasible. The 3-D printers you're seeing today are basically the series of RepRap designs, named after famous scientists who studied self-reproduction: Darwin, Mendel, and Huxley. The RepRap project, which started in 02005, is the reason this happened. For the first several years, it was about half a dozen pe…

not talking about patents at the time was intentional, nobody was ignorant of the situation

I think you should elaborate. Were you at the University of Bath at the time, or at Catalyst IT Ltd. in Auckland?

Re: Ask HN: Why did consumer 3D printing take so long to be invented?

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Some observations that I didn't see in the other comments: - Home 3D printing is often more of a hobby than a traditional prototyping or engineering discipline. People view it as a skill to have, and a fun use of free time. Note how the cheapest and most finicky ones are popular; they can be made to work well through careful operation, troubleshooting, procedures, customization etc. They are not set-and-forget, and I…

I'm not sure how true that first statement is anymore. Most of the recommendations I see now are "just get a Bambu labs one". We are much closer to 3D printing as a utility as opposed to 3D printing as a hobby than we were ~3 years ago.

Great news! Given that time frame, my info is indeed out of date.

Re: Ask HN: Why did consumer 3D printing take so long to be invented?

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post #71

It took that long because nobody was working on it, because it wasn't obvious that a low-cost 3-D printer was feasible. The 3-D printers you're seeing today are basically the series of RepRap designs, named after famous scientists who studied self-reproduction: Darwin, Mendel, and Huxley. The RepRap project, which started in 02005, is the reason this happened. For the first several years, it was about half a dozen pe…

Its interesting to me that a lot of products the R&D comes from some big company But for at home 3D printers it seemed like it was the hobbyists who did most of the R&D, then the companies came in later

Generally, as in this case, a lot of the R&D comes from academia, and from the open source community. For-profit companies aren't very good at stuff that's far out, so they generally free-ride on open-source efforts like Linux, Python, the Web, and RepRap.

Re: Ask HN: Why did consumer 3D printing take so long to be invented?

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post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Microcontrollers and stepper motors were already controlling 2-D printers in the 01970s and early 01980s at higher speeds and similar powers to currently popular 3-D printers. The first RepRaps did not "use a full-power PC as their host machine"; they were controlled by AVRs, just like Arduino (which didn't exist yet). Generating motor control waveforms on a full-power PC is a nightmare nowadays, and was already a ni…

An offtopic question: how do you manage to write all the years consistently with 0 at the start (I know why, but how ), when everyone around you uses a different standard. If I decided, IDK, to write "cnow" instead of "know", or "J" instead of "I", I wouldn't be able to do so consistently. Not in a world that massively uses the other word. Or it would take me twice as much time to double-check everything that I have…

I usually double-check everything I write anyway. I just have to be careful not to "correct" literal quotes that include dates or accidentally talk about the Intel 08008 and the 06502.

Re: Ask HN: Why did consumer 3D printing take so long to be invented?

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post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An offtopic question: how do you manage to write all the years consistently with 0 at the start (I know why, but how ), when everyone around you uses a different standard. If I decided, IDK, to write "cnow" instead of "know", or "J" instead of "I", I wouldn't be able to do so consistently. Not in a world that massively uses the other word. Or it would take me twice as much time to double-check everything that I have…

Wait, I can guess at why ( somebody's probably still going to be alive in 8k more years), but is that really the reason? In case somebody's gonna care enough to read this comment on HN that long from now? And not realize that of course we didn't bother adding leading zeros? Why not 0001970s in that case? (I'm sincerely hoping I'm missing something here and am going to look really silly asking this question.)

Go wild, man. I fully support your right to talk about the 0001970s.

Re: Ask HN: Why did consumer 3D printing take so long to be invented?

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post #71

It took that long because nobody was working on it, because it wasn't obvious that a low-cost 3-D printer was feasible. The 3-D printers you're seeing today are basically the series of RepRap designs, named after famous scientists who studied self-reproduction: Darwin, Mendel, and Huxley. The RepRap project, which started in 02005, is the reason this happened. For the first several years, it was about half a dozen pe…

This Vik Olliver interview from 02018 tells a lot of the story of the early struggles: https://3dprintingindustry.com/news/interview-vik-olliver-fi...

Re: Ask HN: Why did consumer 3D printing take so long to be invented?

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post #72

The pieces did NOT exist in the 1970s. Fast microcontrollers, stepper motors, precision miniaturized manufacturing, reliable and cheap miniaturized DC electronics, and far far more technology was non-existent at any kind of affordable price point. Look at kitchen appliances or metal/wood shop machinery from this era, still heavily analog, mostly made from sheet steel, mostly non-computerized. The 80s would bring bett…

Microcontrollers and stepper motors were already controlling 2-D printers in the 01970s and early 01980s at higher speeds and similar powers to currently popular 3-D printers. The first RepRaps did not "use a full-power PC as their host machine"; they were controlled by AVRs, just like Arduino (which didn't exist yet). Generating motor control waveforms on a full-power PC is a nightmare nowadays, and was already a ni…

> The first RepRaps did not "use a full-power PC as their host machine"; they were controlled by AVRs, just like Arduino

It's possible that they were referring to the RepRap Host Software, which was RepRap's original slicer.

https://reprap.org/wiki/DriverSoftware

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