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Ask HN: Why is Pave legal?

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Re: Ask HN: Why is Pave legal?

#101

Uber and AirBnb are essentially illegal taxi and illegal hotel services. Remember taxi medallions? Remember zoning laws? Being illegal is not a showstopper for a startup because they are under a radar, being illegal is not a problem for a large business because they have enough power to not get prosecuted.

Eric Schmidt echoed similar sentiment in his recent interview. Basically do it, if startup fails then it doesn’t matter. If it succeeds then lawyers can sort it out.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Pave legal?

#102
I had the same concern where I work. They told me data are aggregated anonymously, so no risks, in any case it's useful to compare yourself with others when your salary is below average, so you can ask for a raise (which I will do next salary-review cycle) :)

Re: Ask HN: Why is Pave legal?

#103
The FTC Guidelines for Collaborations Among Competitors https://www.ftc.gov/sites/default/files/attachments/dealings... says it’s illegal to share “competitively sensitive variables”, not just any data. Some forms of data sharing such as industry averages may not be illegal, but more detailed data such as numbers of applicants or price elasticity that enable the companies to act together as if they were a monopoly probably are. RealPage crossed the line by sharing an optimization algorithm and encouraging collective action. I’m not sure what Pave does.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Pave legal?

#104

Uber and AirBnb are essentially illegal taxi and illegal hotel services. Remember taxi medallions? Remember zoning laws? Being illegal is not a showstopper for a startup because they are under a radar, being illegal is not a problem for a large business because they have enough power to not get prosecuted.

Ironically for a question about antitrust price fixing you just named two incumbent government-sanctioned cartels (zoning and taxi medallions) that restrict supply and keep prices high. They would be illegal if private companies made them.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Pave legal?

#105

I had the same concern where I work. They told me data are aggregated anonymously, so no risks, in any case it's useful to compare yourself with others when your salary is below average, so you can ask for a raise (which I will do next salary-review cycle) :)

"data are aggregated anonymously".. that's what almost every data broker with a security breach also said at one point in the past.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Pave legal?

#106

Hate it in concept (I can't speak to Pave specifically). Metrics are useful if the manager doesn't make hard targets, the data is good and the model is good. How do you model compensation packages? how does 20 days leave compare to unlimited leave? Are two companies with unlimited leave equivalent? When the managers have targets, they're incentivized to massage the data in their favor. So even if you're doing it righ…

No, you don't set salary bands based on race or sex. That sounds like it would be illegal. The way that bias creeps in is not from data gathering and setting salary ranges, it's from managers bias when they choose from the ranges for candidates.

Setting company wide salary bands actually HELPS fairness in pay by providing objective ways employees can argue that they are underpaid if that's the case.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Pave legal?

#107

I had the same concern where I work. They told me data are aggregated anonymously, so no risks, in any case it's useful to compare yourself with others when your salary is below average, so you can ask for a raise (which I will do next salary-review cycle) :)

Realpage does the same thing with rental market data but they are clearly at risk.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Pave legal?

#110

Uber and AirBnb are essentially illegal taxi and illegal hotel services. Remember taxi medallions? Remember zoning laws? Being illegal is not a showstopper for a startup because they are under a radar, being illegal is not a problem for a large business because they have enough power to not get prosecuted.

Anybody else remember that time YC funded an international smuggling operation?

https://www.ycombinator.com/companies/backpack

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8199286

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