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Ask HN: Is it just me, or does the job market for IT seem bad today?

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Re: Ask HN: Is it just me, or does the job market for IT seem bad today?

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Post by tommiegannert »

oidar wrote: post #78
lawgimenez wrote: post #40

As a native mobile developer I just noticed a new trend called fullstack mobile developer (web and mobile), it seems most companies prefers cross-platform frameworks nowadays. One company wants me to develop their mobile app on iOS and Android while also help manage their AWS backend. I’m not looking for new mobile dev jobs soon but the market for native looks like shit.

What is this magical ios/android/web full stack called?

Many projects coming out of contractors are using React Native on Google Firebase.

Re: Ask HN: Is it just me, or does the job market for IT seem bad today?

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Post by senordevnyc »

mempko wrote: post #27
akerl_ wrote: post #2

This doesn’t seem shocking. We just had a year or two of rolling layoffs across major tech companies, interest rates are high, the market is fluctuating, and all of that is affecting hiring pipelines.

Most people are missing is that there was a tax code change as part of the Trump tax cuts that made engineers much more expensive in the short term. Companies, especially startups, were hit with a high tax bill. The layoffs are, I believe, a direct result of this tax change.

My suspicion is that the vast majority of companies out there (especially small companies) are just not complying with this change. It's such a stupid, company-ending change that it makes way more sense to just classify your engineer time such that you don't have to amortize their salaries, and risk the audit (which is pretty unlikely).

Re: Ask HN: Is it just me, or does the job market for IT seem bad today?

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Post by antisthenes »

whoiskevin wrote: post #62
antisthenes wrote: post #8

It's interesting that finally US techies begin to understand what the job market is like for the average person since the 2009 recession. And I mean the desirable, well-paying jobs, not the $20/hr service/food jobs that anyone can get.

Yes because non of us techies ever had other jobs before we got better jobs. This is such insulting post. Should I refer to you as a "non-techie".

Pointing out that a group of people generally lack perspective is insulting? Okay...

Yes, you can refer to me as a non-techie if you want. I don't find that offensive, but it would just be inaccurate. I am tech-adjacent.

Re: Ask HN: Is it just me, or does the job market for IT seem bad today?

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Post by sireat »

praptak wrote: post #64

Not in LCoL countries. I am a developer with 20+ years experience, I'm starting a new job in September and I only interviewed with this company, plus another one who emailed me halfway through the process. The trick is that I'm living in Warsaw, Poland.

What's a reasonable wage like for a developer with 20+ years in Warsaw? Somewhere in 5-10k USD monthly ballpark?

Re: Ask HN: Is it just me, or does the job market for IT seem bad today?

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Post by valbaca »

lawgimenez wrote: post #40

As a native mobile developer I just noticed a new trend called fullstack mobile developer (web and mobile), it seems most companies prefers cross-platform frameworks nowadays. One company wants me to develop their mobile app on iOS and Android while also help manage their AWS backend. I’m not looking for new mobile dev jobs soon but the market for native looks like shit.

Please send those my way!

I have worked on mobile app (iOS and Android) and done full-stack web and app development.

When I apply for places the recruiter literally cannot fathom this "Um. So...Are you frontend or backend?" Both. "...But which one" BOTH "Which do you prefer?" I prefer a company that can handle the concept of someone who can and HAS done it all.

Re: Ask HN: Is it just me, or does the job market for IT seem bad today?

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Post by malfist »

BiteCode_dev wrote: post #87
afpx wrote: post #24

In the late 90s, early 00s I would submit 5 resumes, get interviews from 4, get offers from 3. The whole process would take a few hours - no studying, no projects, no indefinite rounds of interviews. I could actually talk to the hiring manager and get a sense for my odds of getting the job before putting the effort in. Now it's like submit 1000 resumes, get interviews from 4, spend 20+ hours preparing and doing inter…

Strangely I'm more comfortable with this kind of market. I was fed up to see entitled wannabees be paid a lot of money to slow me down by forcing me to do some parody of scrum that they learn at one bootcamp, feeling they were in any way important as they drank they in-house latte during multiple remote meetings a day. I much prefer a market where people I work with are actually paid according to their skill and ship…

Why do you think the current interview style leads to "paid according to their skill"?

Re: Ask HN: Is it just me, or does the job market for IT seem bad today?

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Post by malfist »

BillFranklin wrote: post #6

It is indeed, judging by the HN Who Is Hiring / Wants To Be Hired comment ratio [1]. [1]: https://github.com/bilbof/whoishiring-ratio

This really needs more than just a time axis, it's impossible to know what it's trying to tell you. Does a higher bar mean more applications? More jobs? Less jobs? Can't understand it at all

Re: Ask HN: Is it just me, or does the job market for IT seem bad today?

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Post by allarm »

Im not in US but I work for a well known company based in SF. We had a position open for almost six months, with a simple take home test. The position was fully remote. The number of resumes was very low and no one passed the test even remotely close to be considered a potential hire.It wasn’t a dev role but rather something along the lines of devops/sysadmin, but anyway. Oh, and the test was a couple of leetcode style tasks, easy level (or maybe just a little above easy).

The position is now closed and we’re hiring internally instead.

Re: Ask HN: Is it just me, or does the job market for IT seem bad today?

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Post by redleggedfrog »

withinboredom wrote: post #91
redleggedfrog wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm late 50's, 35+ years professionally programming, mostly business software and ecommerce. I entertain at least one serious offer a month and numerous inquiries a week, none of which I intend to take but instead use as leverage for raises at my current position which I now have been at over 15 years. I have leveraged a 50% salary increase in the last 5 years. I am not a hard bargainer, just matching my estimated va…

You’re lucky that your employer negotiates. I worked at a place that came back with: “oh, you looked for another job, so you are not happy here. We pay you what we think you’re worth and if you don’t agree, it sounds like you aren’t happy here anyway. Here’s a severance package, now go fuck off.” (Paraphrased). It was their legit policy to fire you if you tried negotiating your salary.

I have 6 weeks of vacation which I never take more than 2 at a time at my employer's request because when I'm gone it's less than optimal. They are acutely aware of this. For the last 6 or 7 years we've had good metrics on developer productivity and error rates which also helps make my case. If they fired me I'd just take the position I was offered anyway.
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