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Re: Ask HN: Should I try to manufacture toasters?

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post #40

I think you are greatly over-estimating how many people would be willing to pay the cost of a North American made toaster. This would require an absolute ton of capital to do it on anything above a craft scale. The challenges of design, testing, certification (very important for a device that could burn your house down), manufacturing, supply chain, and support that are all specialized careers in themselves. I've got…

It would be very difficult to make it 100% US made. At best it would be assembled in the US of global parts. Things like the cable, heating elements, plugs, etc. may all be non starters to source here.

Re: Ask HN: Should I try to manufacture toasters?

#102
post #85

To mix in with other's comments. It's always good to have a target in sight, but building a physical product with no experience will be a long, expensive journey. I make physical and digital products as a consultant, the first thing I tell entrepreneurs is get to your first prototype. Not even an MVP, just something functional with the core features. Some times these are partial prototypes that work out various sub-s…

no, a toaster is actually pretty simple lol. the issue is that production at scale for millions of customers, for practically anything at all, is not simple. all of the things you point to are true, but they are true of many other goods and products. also, you are assuming they need or care about profit.

If they don't care about profit, it's not a business, it's a hobby.

Re: Ask HN: Should I try to manufacture toasters?

#103
post #40

I think you are greatly over-estimating how many people would be willing to pay the cost of a North American made toaster. This would require an absolute ton of capital to do it on anything above a craft scale. The challenges of design, testing, certification (very important for a device that could burn your house down), manufacturing, supply chain, and support that are all specialized careers in themselves. I've got…

I disagree. The high end of the market is a proven niche and the target high-end buyer has demonstrated a willingness to spend freely on premium grade products. The is a reason why LVMH (Moët Hennessy Louis Vuitton) is one of the most successful and valuable companies in the world. I'm not saying it's easy. Any business endeavor, regardless of product market fit, still requires execution. Easier said than done, but m…

> premium grade products.

Premium grade != Made in USA

Here's a $200+ toaster I was seriously considering buying at one point. It is not made in the USA, and most made-in-USA stuff sucks honestly

https://www.amazon.com/Mitsubishi-Electric-ST1-T-Toaster-ult...

Re: Ask HN: Should I try to manufacture toasters?

#104
post #77
post #16

I've had a similar idea, except in addition to toasters, it's midsize pickup trucks, washing machines, dryers, dishwashers... What I've found is that regulations make it impossible to sell simple machines, labor costs make it impossible to compete on price, lawyers make it impossible to go to market without being sued, and consumers who say they want reliable, well-made goods will balk and buy cheap stuff en masse wh…

>washing machines Among your examples I think this one is interesting. Speed Queen is regarded as among the best washing machines + dryers and they are made in the US. They are extremely well built, they feel really sturdy to use and also are known for being extremely reliable. I guess what I'm imagining is the Speed Queen of toasters..

Just don't use any plastic parts, over-engineer the whole thing internally, no wifi, just a dial for temp and lever to engage. All these fancy toasters still can't toast bread.

Re: Ask HN: Should I try to manufacture toasters?

#105
Try to make one. Somewhere you won't set fire to. Fire risk would be my biggest fear with going for a toaster. Make sure you comply with safety regulations and get liability insurance...

Don't listen if people say it's too hard. They may well be right, or not, but they don't know whether you're the right person to figure out a new angle or not and it's easier to try something new before you learn all the ways it can go wrong. Learn those after you've made a couple of (cheap prototype) attempts

Don't read up too much on the how before you try. You want to learn how the competition works, but sometimes interesting realisations come from trying to figure it out yourself first without anything maki g you reject your apporoach out of hand.

But it will be harder than you think.

Just make sure you don't underestimate the marketing. Making a good product is less than half the job - especially if you're going to compete in a space where you're unlikely to be able to compete on price, quality isn't enough - you also need a convincing story about the quality.

I think in this case, a story about why you've made surprising realisations about a modern take of a return to something sturdy, reliable and simple might be powerful.

"I just wanted...(but modern products ...)" is powerful. Your product might or might not actually be simpler, but if you're going for people nostalgic for US manufacturing (which is larger than ever before, just employing fewer relative to output), then selling the idea that something has been lost with modern devices allows for both pushing price expectations and getting customers to forgive eccentricities that otherwise might be considered issues as long as the story justifies it.

Re: Ask HN: Should I try to manufacture toasters?

#106
post #31

Wish I could offer more than best wishes, but I am in a similar boat: pondering some product ideas while working as a SWE. This line caught my attention - "I also love learning about mechanical engineering and manufacturing" How do you go about that? Have you found any good books, YouTube videos, etc. that are accessible for us SWEs?

Check out:

The secret life of machines.

Engineer guy

Tech ingredients

Asianometry

Fran's Lab

And soon mine!

Re: Ask HN: Should I try to manufacture toasters?

#107
post #40

I think you are greatly over-estimating how many people would be willing to pay the cost of a North American made toaster. This would require an absolute ton of capital to do it on anything above a craft scale. The challenges of design, testing, certification (very important for a device that could burn your house down), manufacturing, supply chain, and support that are all specialized careers in themselves. I've got…

I disagree. The high end of the market is a proven niche and the target high-end buyer has demonstrated a willingness to spend freely on premium grade products. The is a reason why LVMH (Moët Hennessy Louis Vuitton) is one of the most successful and valuable companies in the world. I'm not saying it's easy. Any business endeavor, regardless of product market fit, still requires execution. Easier said than done, but m…

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Re: Ask HN: Should I try to manufacture toasters?

#108
post #77
post #16

I've had a similar idea, except in addition to toasters, it's midsize pickup trucks, washing machines, dryers, dishwashers... What I've found is that regulations make it impossible to sell simple machines, labor costs make it impossible to compete on price, lawyers make it impossible to go to market without being sued, and consumers who say they want reliable, well-made goods will balk and buy cheap stuff en masse wh…

>washing machines Among your examples I think this one is interesting. Speed Queen is regarded as among the best washing machines + dryers and they are made in the US. They are extremely well built, they feel really sturdy to use and also are known for being extremely reliable. I guess what I'm imagining is the Speed Queen of toasters..

Or the old-school KitchenAid mixers

Re: Ask HN: Should I try to manufacture toasters?

#110
post #77
post #16

I've had a similar idea, except in addition to toasters, it's midsize pickup trucks, washing machines, dryers, dishwashers... What I've found is that regulations make it impossible to sell simple machines, labor costs make it impossible to compete on price, lawyers make it impossible to go to market without being sued, and consumers who say they want reliable, well-made goods will balk and buy cheap stuff en masse wh…

>washing machines Among your examples I think this one is interesting. Speed Queen is regarded as among the best washing machines + dryers and they are made in the US. They are extremely well built, they feel really sturdy to use and also are known for being extremely reliable. I guess what I'm imagining is the Speed Queen of toasters..

We bought a set of Speed Queens a couple of years ago and they've worked out pretty well so far. No IoT crap. Not cheap, but not really more than, say, a Bosch or something of that ilk.

For a toaster, what you need to do is recreate the Greatest Toaster of All Time, the Sunbeam T-20. (And then after you do that, recreate the Sunbeam CG-1 waffle iron.)

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