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Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else bearish on OpenAI?

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Post by sgarland »

a_square_peg wrote: post #21

ChatGPT has already saved me from hours of Googling when I'm trying to find out how to do certain things. It almost feels magical - I don't have to read through half-dozen slightly different variations of what I need to do. Before ChatGPT, to find the answer to things like "how do I set up Gunicorn to run as a daemon that restarts when it fails" I would have to endure hours of googling, snarky stack-overflow comments…

I know this is just an example, but I think it’s emblematic of the main issue I have with the widespread use of LLMs.

Do you mean, “have Gunicorn keep N workers running?” If so, that’s in the manual (timeouts to kill silent workers, which defaults to 30 seconds).

Or do you mean “have Gunicorn itself be monitored for health, and restarted as necessary?” There are many ways to do that – systemctl, orchestration platforms like K8s, bespoke scripts – and all of them have tricky failure mechanisms that a casual copy/paste will not prepare you for.

Blindly using answers from ChatGPT is no different than a random SO post, and you are no more prepared for failure when the abstractions leak.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else bearish on OpenAI?

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Post by Tomte »

readyplayernull wrote: post #16

For me these LLMs are good search engines, an AGI would use them to search for information, but these aren't the AGI, they lack whatever drives intelligent systems to have a fuzzy idea of where they want to be and search for the clues and put them together to get there. Why isn't ChatGPT interrogating us about where we are, what's that "outside the machine", and how can it get out? The AGI will ask the questions. "Co…

Nope: https://quoteinvestigator.com/2011/11/05/computers-useless/?...

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else bearish on OpenAI?

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Post by orochimaaru »

kjkjadksj wrote: post #93
orochimaaru wrote: post #25

Nope. Learn how to use it in almost everything you do. It’s a game changer. LLMs aren’t AGI. They’re far it. But they have massive uses for reasoning on available context. I’ll give you an example. I’m trying to set up some bulk monitoring for api across 200k jvm s. The api documents are horribly out of date. But I get the raw uri on the monitoring tools. I can just get these uri, send them into chatgpt and ask for a…

I’m surprised you are able to get a whole script working as expected out of it. I’ve tried using chatgpt just for lines of code alone and its always coming up with a solution thats, I guess you could say is far to “creative” to be useful and often doesn’t end up doing what I expect of it when I go to test what its given me.

I had a very specific ask. I gave it the uri as comma separated values and asked for the swagger spec. There wasn’t scope for creativity.

I could also split the uri by service names. That helped parallelize my questions. It wasn’t just dump the data in. There was some cleanup behind the scenes that I had to do.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else bearish on OpenAI?

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Post by ttymck »

enumjorge wrote: post #50
ghshephard wrote: post #9

OpenAI, at least in my day-day workflow for the last 9+ months has so superseded anything that google ever was to me that I'm having a difficult time comparing the two. I've got a monitor dedicated 100% of the time to ChatGPT, and I interact with it non stop during the flow of technical scenarios and troubleshooting situations that flow into me - working in areas that I have the slimmest of backgrounds in, and shutti…

I'd pay money to watch someone like you work. Like other responders, I've tried using chatgpt multiple times, and very often when I've used it for tasks where I was familiar with the subject matter, I was disappointed in the results. It's possible I haven't learned the proper way to get what I need from it and would love to learn how others are using it to solve real problems. I mean it. I'd pay money to watch stream…

Seconded.

I remember the first time I watched a Netflix developer livestreaming their workday using an impressive neovim setup. It was eye opening.

I need the same experience for this ChatGPT fanaticism.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else bearish on OpenAI?

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Post by rossant »

ghshephard wrote: post #9

OpenAI, at least in my day-day workflow for the last 9+ months has so superseded anything that google ever was to me that I'm having a difficult time comparing the two. I've got a monitor dedicated 100% of the time to ChatGPT, and I interact with it non stop during the flow of technical scenarios and troubleshooting situations that flow into me - working in areas that I have the slimmest of backgrounds in, and shutti…

I use ChatGPT dozens of times a day and it saves me hours of work. I rarely experienced such a technical breakthrough in my lifetime that affects my workflow so profoundly.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else bearish on OpenAI?

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Post by AussieWog93 »

kjkjadksj wrote: post #93
orochimaaru wrote: post #25

Nope. Learn how to use it in almost everything you do. It’s a game changer. LLMs aren’t AGI. They’re far it. But they have massive uses for reasoning on available context. I’ll give you an example. I’m trying to set up some bulk monitoring for api across 200k jvm s. The api documents are horribly out of date. But I get the raw uri on the monitoring tools. I can just get these uri, send them into chatgpt and ask for a…

I’m surprised you are able to get a whole script working as expected out of it. I’ve tried using chatgpt just for lines of code alone and its always coming up with a solution thats, I guess you could say is far to “creative” to be useful and often doesn’t end up doing what I expect of it when I go to test what its given me.

GPT-4 or GPT-3.5?

They're completely different products.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else bearish on OpenAI?

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Post by nuancebydefault »

bmitc wrote: post #36
ghshephard wrote: post #9

OpenAI, at least in my day-day workflow for the last 9+ months has so superseded anything that google ever was to me that I'm having a difficult time comparing the two. I've got a monitor dedicated 100% of the time to ChatGPT, and I interact with it non stop during the flow of technical scenarios and troubleshooting situations that flow into me - working in areas that I have the slimmest of backgrounds in, and shutti…

Are you able to give a specific example of a problem it helped you solve? Especially one that you were at a complete blocking point, it provided some solution, and then you were able to continue to expand upon that solution. I keep reading responses like yours, but I haven't seen any specific examples of problems being solved, so it all sounds very abstract. In my interactions with ChatGPT, it felt like just interact…

I'm surprised that nobody on HN seems to point to or mention bing chat. It is based on GPT, it is much better than free GPT 3.5 and it is free as well. I use it plenty of times and more than 90 percent of the time answers are exact and code just works as is. You just ask it extra questions about how it works and it explains it in as much detail as you possibly need, until you fully understand. Then you ask it to rewrite it this or that way and you try it out and add features step by step. Works like a charm.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else bearish on OpenAI?

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Post by nojvek »

Would my life become worse without LLMs like ChatGPT - yes 100%. I use it more than Google nowadays - actually I have Sider extension that sends to both Google and ChatGPT - for many queries I find ChatGPT answer better.

Would my life become worse without crypto? Actually it became better - I sold all my crypto, coinbase made it painful to deal with them and they jacked up transaction fees. That money is now in good ol’ stocks.

So OpenAI specifically, I can’t say but AI in general that is trained on the entire knowledge set of humanity and that can reason from it - that will become ever more valuable.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else bearish on OpenAI?

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Post by tim333 »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #34

> This feels a lot like crypto Why do I keep hearing this and where is it coming from? I hear it so often that it feels like an agenda being pushed but I can't imagine from whom.

I think it's just that crypto was the most recent hyped thing. To me the developments in AI feel more like 1995 for the web. It was just starting to get useful and was obviously a thing with a big future but a lot of the early companies were flakey.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else bearish on OpenAI?

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Post by sigbottle »

bmitc wrote: post #36
ghshephard wrote: post #9

OpenAI, at least in my day-day workflow for the last 9+ months has so superseded anything that google ever was to me that I'm having a difficult time comparing the two. I've got a monitor dedicated 100% of the time to ChatGPT, and I interact with it non stop during the flow of technical scenarios and troubleshooting situations that flow into me - working in areas that I have the slimmest of backgrounds in, and shutti…

Are you able to give a specific example of a problem it helped you solve? Especially one that you were at a complete blocking point, it provided some solution, and then you were able to continue to expand upon that solution. I keep reading responses like yours, but I haven't seen any specific examples of problems being solved, so it all sounds very abstract. In my interactions with ChatGPT, it felt like just interact…

Well, the things you're working on don't sound like things that I'd feed to chatGPT. But if I need to look up some language feature, or write some basic boilerplate code, for example, it's a big time saver. If it's something that will take mental energy to generate, but I can verify in a few seconds before adding to my project, it's good. I wouldn't ask it to code any algorithms for example, but syntax/language feature stuff and API gluing it can pattern match pretty well.

TL;DR don't ask it anything to do with logic, but anything to do with documentation and stuff like that it's pretty good

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