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Re: Ask HN: Suggestions to host 10TB data with a monthly +100TB bandwidth

#101

I would also like to ask everyone about suggestions for deep storage of personal data, media etc. 10TB with no need for access unless in case of emergency data loss. I'm currently using S3 intelligent tiering.

Tarsnap.

Too expensive for all but critical use-cases. MEGA and Backblaze are way, way cheaper.

Re: Ask HN: Suggestions to host 10TB data with a monthly +100TB bandwidth

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post #81

You could do this for about $1k/mo with Linode and Wasabi. For FastComments we store assets in Wasabi and have services in Linode that act as an in-memory+on disk LRU cache. We have terabytes of data but only pay $6/mo for Wasabi, because the cache hit ratio is high and Wasabi doesn't charge for egress until your egress is more than your storage or something like that. The rest of the cost is egress on Linode. The ni…

> You could do this for about $1k/mo with Linode and Wasabi. This is still crazy expensive. Cloud providers have really warped people’s expectations.

You could do it through interserver for $495/mo (5 20gb sata disks, 150tb free bandwidth). 10gbps link. 128gb ram for page cache.

Backups probably wouldn't be much more.

Re: Ask HN: Suggestions to host 10TB data with a monthly +100TB bandwidth

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post #47

That reminds me of the entertaining "I just want to serve 5 terabytes. Why is this so difficult?" video that someone made inside Google. It satirizes the difficulty of getting things done at production scale. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3t6L-FlfeaI

The interesting thing is there also paradoxes of large scale: things that get more difficult with increasing size.

Medium- and smaller-scale can often be more flexible because they don't have to incur the pain of nonuniformity as scale increases. While they may not be able to afford optimizations or discounts with larger, standardized purchases, they can provide more personalized services large scale cannot hope to provide.

Re: Ask HN: Suggestions to host 10TB data with a monthly +100TB bandwidth

#105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It looks like HDD prices are at ~40% of SSD prices (new drives, not cloud-hosted). SSDs are starting to make sense for more things, now.

That comparison only holds for the smaller sizes.

For an 8 TB SSD and 18 TB HDD, it's more like 3x.

Re: Ask HN: Suggestions to host 10TB data with a monthly +100TB bandwidth

#106
post #12

If it fits your model, WebTorrent[0] can offload a lot of bandwidth to peers. [0] https://github.com/webtorrent/webtorrent

At some point you still need a seed for that 10TB of data with some level of reliability. WebTorrent only solves the monthly bandwidth iff you've got some high capacity seeds (your servers or long-term peers).

And, at that point, you might as well be mirroring it over IPFS too.

One multi-vendor, zero-knowledge, HA solution is https://tahoe-lafs.org/trac/tahoe-lafs

Re: Ask HN: Suggestions to host 10TB data with a monthly +100TB bandwidth

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post #80

S3 is probably the highest quality. It’s enterprise grade : fast, secure with a lot of tiers and controls. If you recover only small data, it’s also not expensive. The only problem is if you recover large data. That would be a major problem.

Too expensive. RRS would be the only consideration, and it's not a for-sure thing compared to other options.

Re: Ask HN: Suggestions to host 10TB data with a monthly +100TB bandwidth

#108

Depends on what exactly you want to do with it. Hetzner has very cheap Storage boxes (10TB for $20/month with unlimited traffic) but those are closer to FTP boxes with a 10 connection limit. They are also down semi-regularly for maintenance. For rock-solid public hosting Cloudflare is probably a much better bet, but you're also paying 7 times the price. More than a dedicated server to host the files, but you get more…

Wow! It's the first time I'm hearing of this Hetzner offering. It's ideal for my offsite backup needs. Thanks!

Re: Ask HN: Suggestions to host 10TB data with a monthly +100TB bandwidth

#109

you can definitely do this at home on the cheap. As long as you have a decent internet connection, that is ;) 10TB+ harddisks are not expensive, you can put them in an old enclosure together with a small industrial or NUC PC in your basement

I current have 45 WUH721414ALE6L4 drives in a Supermicro JBOD SC847E26 (SAS2 is way cheaper than SAS3) connected to an LSI 9206-16e controller (HCL reasons) via hybrid Mini SAS2 to Mini SAS3 cables. The SAS expanders in the JBOD are also LSI and qualified for the card. The hard drives are also qualified for the SAS expanders.

I tried this using Pine ROCKPro64 to possibly install Ceph across 2-5 RAID1 NAS enclosures. The problem is I can't get any of their dusty Linux forks to recognize the storage controller, so they're $200 paperweights.

I wrote a SATA HDD "top" utility that brings in data from SMART, mdadm, lvm, xfs, and the Linux SCSI layer. I set monitoring to look for elevated temperature, seek errors, scan errors, reallocation counts, offline reallocation, and probational count.

Re: Ask HN: Suggestions to host 10TB data with a monthly +100TB bandwidth

#110
The OP request would benefit from details, but the solution depends on what format the data is and how to be shared.

Assuming the simplest need is making files available :

1) Sync.com provides unlimited hosting and file sharing from it.

Sync is a decent Dropbox replacement with a few more bells and whistles.

2) BackBlaze business let’s you deliver files for free via their CDN. $5/TB per month storage plus free egress via their CDN.

https://www.backblaze.com/b2/solutions/developers.html

Backblaze seems to be 70-80% cheaper than S3 as it claims.

Traditional best practice cloud paths are optimized to be a best practice to generate profit for the cloud provider.

Luckily it’s nice to rarely be alone or the first to have a need.

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