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Re: Ask HN: Why are some YC startups not posting salary ranges when law requires it?

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Post by asdajksah2123 »

wskinner wrote: post #21
willio58 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

HN is being payed by these companies for these posts. Surely it wouldn’t be too hard for HN devs to have a running list of states that require salary ranges to be posted, and check against that when the customer submits a request. Then it will make it easier as more and more states require the bare-minimum worker right of public salaries.

HN is not payed for these posts. Who’s Hiring posts are like all others: anyone can comment, and no one on HN ever pays the site operator for the right to post.

And Who's Hiring posts are not covered by this law or requirement.

Most jobs have official job postings. It's those that need to carry the salary requirement.

If I'm telling a friend, Hey, there's an opening in my company, you wanna apply, I am not required to tell him the salary range. However, when I point him out to the job application page where he can get more official information on it and can apply for it, that should carry this information, or at least link to it.

Re: Ask HN: Why are some YC startups not posting salary ranges when law requires it?

#102

Post by alexiaa »

indymike wrote: post #78

I've been in the job board / HR Tech space for a while, and every time I see a state pass a law requiring advertising the salary range, I'm reminded of a few facts: * Showing your salary range as long as it is at market wage or higher delivers 14% more applicants. It is a good idea to show salary on job ads. * If you don't give the job board a salary range, they will use tools like salary.com or their own tools to sh…

> if you advertise a job respond to applicants quickly - as in within minutes of the application

i mean it's nice to get a response as soon as possible but this seems completely unrealistic... it seems perfectly normal to expect a wait of a few days or weeks to me

Re: Ask HN: Why are some YC startups not posting salary ranges when law requires it?

#103

Post by Octoth0rpe »

indymike wrote: post #78

I've been in the job board / HR Tech space for a while, and every time I see a state pass a law requiring advertising the salary range, I'm reminded of a few facts: * Showing your salary range as long as it is at market wage or higher delivers 14% more applicants. It is a good idea to show salary on job ads. * If you don't give the job board a salary range, they will use tools like salary.com or their own tools to sh…

> the truth is that unemployment did not go up in November.

Do you have a source on this that breaks out unemployment by sector? 100k tech sector layoffs could be easily overshadowed by holiday season retail hiring.

Re: Ask HN: Why are some YC startups not posting salary ranges when law requires it?

#104

Post by asdajksah2123 »

busterarm wrote: post #66
conanbatt wrote: post #56

The real question is why HN is filled with people that have values completely orthogonal to the VC space, like people wanting to leverage the law to make other people do things.

Because that's where culture is right now... Nowadays if you're in a professional organization, for example if you're a lawyer, people will make professional complaints against you for your first amendment speech, irrespective of your professional practice. Essentially filing fraudulent complaints to silence you. And they do so as an organized political activity. And sadly it's been hilariously effective so far.

There is no "first amendment speech" unless it's the government trying to suppress it.

Re: Ask HN: Why are some YC startups not posting salary ranges when law requires it?

#105

Post by indymike »

yamtaddle wrote: post #97
indymike wrote: post #78

I've been in the job board / HR Tech space for a while, and every time I see a state pass a law requiring advertising the salary range, I'm reminded of a few facts: * Showing your salary range as long as it is at market wage or higher delivers 14% more applicants. It is a good idea to show salary on job ads. * If you don't give the job board a salary range, they will use tools like salary.com or their own tools to sh…

> * If you advertise a job respond to applicants quickly - as in within minutes of the application. A single day of delay in response causes 28% of candidates to become unresponsive to recruiters (this is from our company's research). It drops to 51% become unresponsive 48 hours later. My experience with being hired at non-FAANG places over a career of more than two decades is that I'm usually through a process and h…

I routinely hire developers in 24 hours from initial contact. It's fun watching them get random recruiter calls two or three weeks later. "I'm not interested, I STARTED my new job three weeks ago. No, I'm not willing to leave for that. Have a nice day." Except the "Have a nice day" part is usually less friendly and polite.

Re: Ask HN: Why are some YC startups not posting salary ranges when law requires it?

#106

Post by yamtaddle »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #84
yamtaddle wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The more-powerful and better-informed entity deliberately leveraging those imbalances to extract more value from the weaker entity is unethical. Might be normal, might be expected, might be "just business", but it's unethical. It's also contrary to the ideals of a free market, if that matters to anyone. I'll admit that it's ethical if one's ethical framework is based on Pirates of the Caribbean. "Take what you can, g…

> more-powerful and better-informed entity With many of these roles, it’s unclear who has the advantage: the seed-stage start-up or the key employee.

I think the one counting YC folks as advisors probably have the information advantage more often than not, unless they're astonishingly incompetent.

Re: Ask HN: Why are some YC startups not posting salary ranges when law requires it?

#107

Post by godelski »

indymike wrote: post #78

I've been in the job board / HR Tech space for a while, and every time I see a state pass a law requiring advertising the salary range, I'm reminded of a few facts: * Showing your salary range as long as it is at market wage or higher delivers 14% more applicants. It is a good idea to show salary on job ads. * If you don't give the job board a salary range, they will use tools like salary.com or their own tools to sh…

It's kinda nice to hear that things that sound obvious actually are. All these seem like they can be summed up with: treat your potential hire like you'd want to be treated when you're looking for a job. Would it be naive to assume that similar rules apply for retaining workers?

Re: Ask HN: Why are some YC startups not posting salary ranges when law requires it?

#108

Post by bosie »

alexiaa wrote: post #102
indymike wrote: post #78

I've been in the job board / HR Tech space for a while, and every time I see a state pass a law requiring advertising the salary range, I'm reminded of a few facts: * Showing your salary range as long as it is at market wage or higher delivers 14% more applicants. It is a good idea to show salary on job ads. * If you don't give the job board a salary range, they will use tools like salary.com or their own tools to sh…

> if you advertise a job respond to applicants quickly - as in within minutes of the application i mean it's nice to get a response as soon as possible but this seems completely unrealistic... it seems perfectly normal to expect a wait of a few days or weeks to me

weeks would drag the application out for months though

Re: Ask HN: Why are some YC startups not posting salary ranges when law requires it?

#109

Post by indymike »

Octoth0rpe wrote: post #103
indymike wrote: post #78

I've been in the job board / HR Tech space for a while, and every time I see a state pass a law requiring advertising the salary range, I'm reminded of a few facts: * Showing your salary range as long as it is at market wage or higher delivers 14% more applicants. It is a good idea to show salary on job ads. * If you don't give the job board a salary range, they will use tools like salary.com or their own tools to sh…

> the truth is that unemployment did not go up in November. Do you have a source on this that breaks out unemployment by sector? 100k tech sector layoffs could be easily overshadowed by holiday season retail hiring.

You can dive through US DOL JOLTS report if you want to understand this. Big tech did layoffs. IT departments still need people.

Re: Ask HN: Why are some YC startups not posting salary ranges when law requires it?

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Post by falcolas »

indymike wrote: post #105
yamtaddle wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> * If you advertise a job respond to applicants quickly - as in within minutes of the application. A single day of delay in response causes 28% of candidates to become unresponsive to recruiters (this is from our company's research). It drops to 51% become unresponsive 48 hours later. My experience with being hired at non-FAANG places over a career of more than two decades is that I'm usually through a process and h…

I routinely hire developers in 24 hours from initial contact. It's fun watching them get random recruiter calls two or three weeks later. "I'm not interested, I STARTED my new job three weeks ago. No, I'm not willing to leave for that. Have a nice day." Except the "Have a nice day" part is usually less friendly and polite.

I'm starting to come around to the TikTok suggestion for those tense closers. "Have the day you deserve."
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