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Ask HN: Apple dropping support for iPhone SE. What to do now?

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Re: Ask HN: Apple dropping support for iPhone SE. What to do now?

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Post by tazjin »

dublin wrote: post #94
freefaler wrote: post #92

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It did function "somehow", but not as well as it functions now. Hailing a cab (or an unlicensed one) when it's cold or rains was a struggle. No food delivery. No bus notifications and maps routing. Heck, it worked somehow before the Metro was dug by Stalin in the 1930s, but not as well as now. So you're correct if you don't mind the quality of life.

I really don't get the food delivery thing. It's expensive as hell, slow, and mostly delivers a bunch of highly processed food you'd be better off not eating anyway, unless you're really starving. I've got far better things to do with my money than pay too much for bad, cold food. Even during the entire 2020 Covid lockdown craziness (which was quite properly never really taken seriously here in Texas - even Austin!),…

> It's expensive as hell, slow, and mostly delivers a bunch of highly processed food you'd be better off not eating anyway

This depends on where you are! In Moscow, food delivery can be a 25 minute affair delivering you something from your favourite (vetted by you!) restaurant.

In Stockholm for example (at least when I used to live there), the number of restaurants that sign up for delivery is very low and you mostly just get shitty "Swedish pizza" (curry banana shrimp pizza, anyone?)

London is somewhere in between. Maybe it's just a function of city size, something something economies of scale.

Re: Ask HN: Apple dropping support for iPhone SE. What to do now?

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Post by tazjin »

davnn wrote: post #91
tazjin wrote: post #9

I've been trying to wean myself off phones completely since the demise of the SE, but life in Moscow without a phone is basically impossible (taxis, deliveries, electric scooters, bikes etc. all become pretty much unavailable). As a compromise I've been using the Palm Phone[0] for a while now (before that the Unihertz Atom, which is quite the chonker, albeit with a small screen). It's the size of a credit card and ha…

„… Bluetooth is completely useless in large and densely populated cities.“ What problems do you experience in day to day life?

Just the usual issues with it not connecting, randomly disconnecting, audio buffering issues and so on. These usually get worse when you go into really busy places (the metro, train stations, shopping streets etc.)

When I lived in London I used to take Bluetooth-enthusiasts to a specific spot in Victoria station that is a complete Bluetooth-killer for some reason. Cables just don't have these problems ...

Re: Ask HN: Apple dropping support for iPhone SE. What to do now?

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Post by tazjin »

greenie_beans wrote: post #100
zzzbra wrote: post #27

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> but life in Moscow without a phone is basically impossible (taxis, deliveries, electric scooters, bikes etc. all become pretty much unavailable). am I the only one who finds this horrifying

same. i'm really feeling it now after adopting a dumb phone. recently had an idea: what if we installed small, public computers on city blocks, much in the same way that we did phone booths

You think the fraud tech on ATMs is bad already? Wait until you see what people would do with those computers :)

Re: Ask HN: Apple dropping support for iPhone SE. What to do now?

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Post by tazjin »

Kirby64 wrote: post #73
tazjin wrote: post #25

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Maybe it's more noticeable because this phone has a really tiny battery, but yeah. I actually went through a few adapters to find one that worked, because some of them (e.g. the one Apple makes) actually only wire up a DAC inside the phone to the physical 3.5mm connector. The Palm phone doesn't have a DAC though ... Maybe the one I have (by a company called Baseus, which I've never heard of before) just sucks and it…

The 3.5mm adapters that Apple makes absolutely include a DAC themselves. Not sure where you get the idea that they don't. Both the USB-C and the Lightning versions are all digital on the port side. There are very few USB-C analog -> 3.5mm adapters, strictly because there is so many compatible issues (i.e., you need to support the alternate mode, AND you need to map the pins correctly).

I got an official Apple one and couldn't get it to work with any of my devices (I don't have any other Apple devices, so maybe they do have a DAC but it only works with their devices?). It exhibited the same behaviour as the DAC-less adapters (i.e. just, well, nothing).

Re: Ask HN: Apple dropping support for iPhone SE. What to do now?

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Post by red369 »

captn3m0 wrote: post #66

It is still unclear if support is being dropped. Apple promised updates to iOS14 after 15 was released, but went back on that promise. iOS 15.7 fixed a bunch of security issues and was released along with iOS 16. Apple has been silently maintaining iOS12, releasing 12.5.6 in August 2022 for eg: > Available for: iPhone 5s, iPhone 6, iPhone 6 Plus, iPad Air, iPad mini 2, iPad mini 3, and iPod touch (6th generation). No…

This comment made me rethink my frequent praising of Apple for their long support for the really old devices:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32672461

Re: Ask HN: Apple dropping support for iPhone SE. What to do now?

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Post by jareklupinski »

davnn wrote: post #91
tazjin wrote: post #9

I've been trying to wean myself off phones completely since the demise of the SE, but life in Moscow without a phone is basically impossible (taxis, deliveries, electric scooters, bikes etc. all become pretty much unavailable). As a compromise I've been using the Palm Phone[0] for a while now (before that the Unihertz Atom, which is quite the chonker, albeit with a small screen). It's the size of a credit card and ha…

„… Bluetooth is completely useless in large and densely populated cities.“ What problems do you experience in day to day life?

not OP, but in NYC, I cannot use my Airpods on the subway or while crossing an intersection. I tried commuting with them for a couple weeks, and as soon as I got into the subway my music would cut out.

Then out on the street, I would have no problems in the middle of a block, but on every intersection, the connection would cut out again until I got far enough from the corner.

Back to wired IEM's with a little dongle in the lightning slot :)

Re: Ask HN: Apple dropping support for iPhone SE. What to do now?

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Post by ryandrake »

skyyler wrote: post #81
CodeyWhizzBang wrote: post #78

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I do agree with you that Apple have done well to support this. But also 2016 is only 6 years ago. It's not just Apple thing, but it really doesn't feel sustainable for us to keep write off our hardware every half a decade.

I do hope to see these numbers get bigger and bigger as the years go on. I feel like expecting 6 years of updates out of the iPhone 4 would have been kind of ridiculous!

I can install a modern build of Linux on a 20 year old computer and expect it to work. Let's not pretend 6 years is some kind of miracle.

Re: Ask HN: Apple dropping support for iPhone SE. What to do now?

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Post by mritun »

> What are the possibilities? Jailbreak or use it as a paper weight?

Assuming you have a working phone, why would you not just keep using it?

I have a bunch of old Nokia phones that still work. They’ve not received an update in years and probably never will, but as long as they support carriers frequently, they’ll work.

It’s a phone, not an app… and even apps don’t need to be constantly updated.

Re: Ask HN: Apple dropping support for iPhone SE. What to do now?

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Post by b20000 »

tazjin wrote: post #9

I've been trying to wean myself off phones completely since the demise of the SE, but life in Moscow without a phone is basically impossible (taxis, deliveries, electric scooters, bikes etc. all become pretty much unavailable). As a compromise I've been using the Palm Phone[0] for a while now (before that the Unihertz Atom, which is quite the chonker, albeit with a small screen). It's the size of a credit card and ha…

nice but it runs android, the worst garbage OS in the world. someone needs to find a way to create a linux phone capable of running android apps but without having to have a google account and dealing with this bullshit company.

Re: Ask HN: Apple dropping support for iPhone SE. What to do now?

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Post by gigglesupstairs »

tazjin wrote: post #44
zzzbra wrote: post #27

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> but life in Moscow without a phone is basically impossible (taxis, deliveries, electric scooters, bikes etc. all become pretty much unavailable). am I the only one who finds this horrifying

No, but the thing is that for the majority of people nowadays this is normal and unsurprising. If you don't have a phone, a lot of things become unavailable and 99% of people (maybe even more!) don't consider that strange. You can sometimes work around parts of it. For example there are still taxi dispatchers you can call (but with what? Maybe if you have at least a dumb phone ...) but drivers might be more hesitant…

People find it strange when I tell them I leave my phone at home most of the times when I go for walking, so I can relate. 99% have absolutely normalised phones in their lives as an essential commodity like refrigerator or a house key.
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