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Re: Ask HN: Discord banned me with no recourse

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Post by giraffe_lady »

rglullis wrote: post #49
Bilal_io wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Does anybody really believe it will ever stop? I don't. Regulation is the key in my opinion. Not fully sure what policies need to be enacted, but at the very least prohibit automated bans except for very trivial cases that don't really need human review.

OP is arguing about us stop relying on over centralized corporations and to start using the tools (that already exist!) based on free software where such type of arbitrary rulings are impossible. Your response is "mah regulation". On Hacker News of all places, I'd expect that people were at least willing to take control of their lives and actions, and not to cry from oppressive authority to another, thinking that we…

No I'm likely older than you and definitely older than the median on this site and have always basically believed regulation is a more effective solution than blaming users for their problems.

Re: Ask HN: Discord banned me with no recourse

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Post by helpfulclippy »

superkuh wrote: post #97

Stop depending entirely on corporate systems for your personal communication and recreation (I say on HN...). And absolutely stop calling for the use of violence (regulations by government) in these situations. Just because Bob says you cannot come over to the weekly neighborhood BBQs in his backyard does not mean it is ethical for you to call up your police friend to threaten Bob and to make sure you can go. It does…

I hear you about saying no to depending on the rings of power.

Not sure about the regulatory part with Bob’s backyard. What about when Bob intentionally persuades everyone to route all their packages and mail through his house, which he routinely opens, reads and studies to determine their preferences and desires and compile psychological profiles of everyone in the neighborhood which he then discloses to various unidentified third parties including law enforcement, debt collectors, abusers and criminals? What about when Bob uses his control to deny people access to their own communications and stuff, on the grounds that they’re actually his now because it’s at his house and he decided for unspecified reasons that they broke one of his vague and unilaterally-defined rules? What if Bob does this at such a scale that he can now assist the government in undermining the constitutional protections against unwarranted searches, or uses his influence and knowledge to purposefully stoke and manipulate anger in ways that he KNOWS he can’t control and will get people killed or at least ruin their lives, but at least makes him more money?

Do Bob’s property rights need to be balanced against other societal needs then?

Re: Ask HN: Discord banned me with no recourse

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Post by jimktrains2 »

Somehow my phone number was removed from my account and now i cannot add it again. When asking support why it was removed they've responded multiple times with the same canned email saying they can't remove the phone number requirement. I repeated said I don't want it removed, just to know why my number was removed and how to add it back, but yet i receive the same canned message.

Re: Ask HN: Discord banned me with no recourse

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Post by Ardon »

BrandoElFollito wrote: post #88
ctrlmeta wrote: post #14

The popularity of Discord always surprises me! It takes hard work and time to create an active community. Why put all that hard work and time into a corporate-controlled platform that can lock you out of it anytime they want? How do people feel ok taking such a big risk? Why not use an open protocol like Matrix (or IRC if you're savvy) to form your community?

Matrix is great, but does not immediately have a web interface, and this may push back some users. It is not that it is difficult to use a client (though the authentication i snot obvious - but then I had to think hard about Discord authentication/servers/invitations as well) but everyone is used to have a web interface and mobile clients to start with.

You can link people directly to https://app.element.io/

But there's definitely a lower barrier to entry with Discord right now, maybe forever. But maybe there just needs to be time to push through the network effect of discord. I'm vaguely optimistic, I'm seeing Matrix more and more often these days. Still in nerd circles, of course.

Re: Ask HN: Discord banned me with no recourse

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Post by desindol »

asdojasdosadsa wrote: post #4
mdrzn wrote: post #2

Seems like it's an old issue that hasn't been fixed [0] [0] https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/community/posts/3600556...

Wow, how can a system be designed like this? There is no warning or notification when creating a new account, the old account just goes to 'limbo' mode... I still get notifications on my phone from the logged in account, but when trying to access it's asking for phone verification, which obviously doesn't work because there is no phone number tied to the account!

There is literally a topic with the problem in their help. Their phone number is on timeout for a week. Sucks but not being able to read sucks even more.

>>Have an alt account, or help a friend complete their verification? Your phone has just been registered and is on timeout. Unfortunately we can not lift this, and you will need to wait for the end of the timeout to use the number once more, or use a different number to verify the account.

Re: Ask HN: Discord banned me with no recourse

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Post by anoonmoose »

temp_account_32 wrote: post #60
anoonmoose wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That should absolutely not apply to Discord, Google Mail, or Amazon AWS, because those are all private companies restricting the use of their private property. You may call them "public spaces" or "public services" but that is an abuse of the word "public".

They pretty much are de facto public services. The town square is now digital, and the laws have failed to adapt. Just because some big corporation owns it doesn't make it different in practice. Do you really want to defend a future where you can be banned from doing anything because some random $BIGCORP's algorithm decides so on a whim?

Yes, I want that future, because their right to restrict service is the same right to restrict service that I personally have, and diminishing their rights diminishes my rights.

If you want government-run services that act as public versions of these services, advocate for that. But I don't support this particular method of socializing private businesses.

Re: Ask HN: Discord banned me with no recourse

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Post by bombcar »

leephillips wrote: post #71
vachina wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not your server, not your data. Host your own mission critical services, and don’t commit too much to (especially free) third party services.

Exactly right. People choose to give these companies power over them; they choose to submit to tyranny. Nobody can ban me from email, or from my own website.

They can, it just takes extra steps and so probably won’t happen as nobody is likely to run a coordinated campaign to do it.

Re: Ask HN: Discord banned me with no recourse

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Post by anoonmoose »

macspoofing wrote: post #96
anoonmoose wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That should absolutely not apply to Discord, Google Mail, or Amazon AWS, because those are all private companies restricting the use of their private property. You may call them "public spaces" or "public services" but that is an abuse of the word "public".

>That should absolutely not apply to Discord, Google Mail, or Amazon AWS, because those are all private companies restricting the use of their private property. We don't live in a libertarian utopia where private property is not regulated. If you're a store-owner, for example, there are some things you simply cannot do or must allow. In California, for example, a private space, like a mall, has to allow constitutiona…

When quoting from the Pruneyard Wikipedia article, I would suggest you include "In refusing to follow Pruneyard, the state supreme courts of New York and Wisconsin both attacked it as an unprincipled and whimsical decision", and not just the parts you like.

Re: Ask HN: Discord banned me with no recourse

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Post by TakeBlaster16 »

qzx_pierri wrote: post #70
kemiller wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are but that’s precisely the problem. More and more of our vital communication channels are owned by single private entities. IOW public discourse is being replaced by “public” discourse. The promise of blockchain solutions is that they can return us to the status quo ante of the internet where there were open protocols that operated in a decentralized way. Whether it can fulfill that promise, I don’t know. But…

The internet is not real life. It seems a lot of people who hold your opinion are in the 18-24 age range. Those people who grew up thinking the internet is the only way to communicate or “make things happen”. But I assure you these private companies do NOT have to let you use their services, and common excuses such as “Online communication is like a public square!” is not rooted in the desire for free speech, but is…

https://web.stanford.edu/~mrosenfe/Rosenfeld_et_al_Disinterm...

Most couples now meet online. Good luck convincing them all the internet is not real life. And those stats are from 2017. Given a few years of lockdown the trend has surely accelerated.

Discord is how a lot of young people talk these days. If you're banned from Discord, it's not very comforting to hear "you don't need Discord son, in my day we didn't have Discord and we wrote to our pen pals. I'm sure you'll make some new friends."

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