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Re: Ask HN: Contractors, what is your hourly rate?

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I do backend Java development as a mid-senior engineer (~10 years of experience). I have a good grasp of SQL, git, Spring, ... I do 35€/hr in central/southern Europe, working for a local fintech company (2-3x what I'd get as wage). I plan on rising my rates later this year. I was in talks with a US company, and they balked when I requested 42$/hr as that was what they paid their employees from the US.

You should rise your rate to 2-4x that, and only bother talking to companies that accept such rates (possibly in other regions). If they haggle and you like them / the project, give a symbolic discount like 20%.

Where do you find work as a contractor btw? I tried LinkedIn and Hacker news, but didn't get that much uptake.

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I have three rates. You are a charity, or other worthy cause, or someone I really want to work with - 50% - 100% discount. You are a normal client - 100%. You are either an arsehole or have asked for something very last minute - 150%-200% depending on the mood I'm in. The last one, colloquially known as the fuck-off rate, is probably the best bit of contracting advice I ever got from a colleague. He hated the gig we…

Oh, to be able to charge by the hour would be such bliss as a lawyer. We charge by 0,1 hours: every 6 minutes need to be accounted for.

Re: Ask HN: Contractors, what is your hourly rate?

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post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a little under 2000 working hours in a year of fulltime work; you can charge approx double to cover your cost of sales / offer flexibility.

Am I missing something, or do you not have any vacation?

Paid vacation still counts towards your "work hours", because your employer pays for them.

Re: Ask HN: Contractors, what is your hourly rate?

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post #88
post #49

OT, but important: don't bill hourly. Do a day rate. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4103417 You can benchmark day rates by your hourly rate, if that's easier for you to think or talk about. Your benchmark hourly rate should probably start at 150%-200% of your salary (backed out to hourly). It can reasonably go much higher. It can't reasonably go much lower.

> your salary (backed out to hourly) Is there a standard rule of thumb for "hours worked in a year" at companies? Off the top of my head I come up with ~ 1700 for my last salaried job: 365 - 104 (weekends) - 32 (vacation) - 10 (holidays) - 5 (sick) = 214 days or 1712 hours @8/d. Also I think for "your salary" you should use your total compensation but maybe that's what you meant.

the "quick maths" way is 2000 hours/year

50 weeks, 40 hours per week. Dividing/Multiplying by 2 in your head for quick estimates easy.

For more accuracy, do what you did.

Re: Ask HN: Contractors, what is your hourly rate?

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post #54

I charge around 75$/h for backend and devops work. I started at 42$/h two years ago. Increasing the rate at every contract. I usually only bill coding hours which is around 5h/day for me, but I realized that it is not a good strategy.

As someone that works 9-5 and looking into freelance, why > that it is not a good strategy ?

Because coding is only a small part of your job as a consultant. Your job is to alleviate your client's pain points, pain points they are incapable or unwilling to alleviate themselves. There will be coding. There will also be design, education, testing, documentation, a certain amount of hand holding possibly, presentation, and possibly travel. By just billing coding you are vastly undercharging.

Consider this... Let's say you make $100k as salary, with decent benefits, etc. I calculated it once and I would need $60k to replace my benefits (I make more than $100k). To make consulting worthwhile financially you would then need $100k+60k+??k. For salaries under $120k doubling to get your target income as a consultant seems to be a good rule of thumb. For salaries over $120k, maybe somewhere between 150-200%.

As other have said, never charge by the hour. Charge costs + weekly retainer, or monthly retainer. When I was a freelance consultant I did costs + hourly, and it was a mistake, but I was young.

Re: Ask HN: Contractors, what is your hourly rate?

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In Canada contractors who work for the recruiters who supply resources to the Canadian government can expect these kind of rates: Experienced DBA ~$80/hour System Analyst/Platform Analyst ~100/hour Security Assessor or Practitioner from $115 to $125/hour Front end developers who know a JavaScript framework, Power BI developers and anyone with cloud experience are in demand at top rates. Then there are the gold ring j…

Spent many years in this game, and Canada is so public sector heavy as a market, that the govt consulting rates become defacto institutional rates. There are only like 5 banks.

The system runs on "vendors of record," where govt uses contracting agencies as a layer to keep people arms length and not employees - but also the vendors handle payments, insurance, recruiting, etc. If you want to make real money in Canada, you get out of the talent/delivery side and into scaling as a VoR where you run consultants and just handle the money. That's true everywhere, but this general contractor model defines most tech companies in the country. The only reason I don't do it it because I'm a nerd who likes to solve problems.

My rates aren't for the value of my time, it's for the value of my clients' time and how much of it I yield for them in short conversations that save entire teams weeks of burn sounding things out for themselves, or that provide the insight that moves much larger decisions. I'm not rich, but it gives me the freedom to manage my time to focus on my myriad other intense interests.

In terms of rate, learn negotiation to discover how to make the best quality deals you can independent of top line numbers, and having opinions about it without having read the foundational works is as naive as it sounds. I don't do hourly anything anymore unless I've been on the bench and have to take something (always say yes when you've been on the bench, just take the money).

Flat rate is great if you can get it (private sector only), but in between is a day rate that you bill at a minimum of 1 or a 1/2 day because when you have more than one client (e.g. not just a job) you need to price in the opportunity costs of working for one client over the other. Context switching is opportunity cost. It's not on you to get better at it for anyone, it's an economic factor you have to price in to generate positive yield on your time.

Also, there is a stupid-consultant pattern where they say, "I only do X" or "I only do day rates." and leave it hanging as a challenge to the recruiter, who very rationally will call your bluff. The correct way is, "I achieve these outcomes, and most of the time in orgs is spent waiting for things to happen, so yes the day rate is high, but not only is it worth it in the time you get back with the right outcomes and answers, but the value is you aren't paying me to wait around all week for your people either." And that's how you add clients.

I deliver so much value that my clients don't even see the money go, because there's pretty much nobody else available who is as interested in solving their problems as I am in my field. I do this because I love it.

Consulting costs in institutions are estimated around the unit of an FTE (full time equivalent), which is about 250k/year in total cost to the client. How much the person delivering the work gets is invisible to the client, and most contractors don't know what their vendor's deal with the client is. That's why it's a business. If you are talking to someone hiring contractors, they're likely measuring their costs using this figure as an anchor. Where you lose is that 4mo's of lost income from being on the bench is immensely costly, and reduces your average cash flow over a 5 year period, etc. If you don't have a plan for the cash flow to invest it in something, you're much better off as just a regular employee.

Re: Ask HN: Contractors, what is your hourly rate?

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post #88
post #49

OT, but important: don't bill hourly. Do a day rate. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4103417 You can benchmark day rates by your hourly rate, if that's easier for you to think or talk about. Your benchmark hourly rate should probably start at 150%-200% of your salary (backed out to hourly). It can reasonably go much higher. It can't reasonably go much lower.

> your salary (backed out to hourly) Is there a standard rule of thumb for "hours worked in a year" at companies? Off the top of my head I come up with ~ 1700 for my last salaried job: 365 - 104 (weekends) - 32 (vacation) - 10 (holidays) - 5 (sick) = 214 days or 1712 hours @8/d. Also I think for "your salary" you should use your total compensation but maybe that's what you meant.

The standard rule is 2080 hours, it's 52 weeks * 40 hours. You might say, but what about vacation, and that's fair when talking about an employee-employer relationship but you're contracting. So your rate calculations have to include all your costs, including your vacation/sick days/etc.

Re: Ask HN: Contractors, what is your hourly rate?

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post #98

Hey fellow consultants in here, can someone just please make a glassdoor for us? I’m tired of holding this idea in my head would love to see it out there so we can just get to the good part (knowing what to charge). If you need more explanation: https://unvalidated-ideas.vadosware.io/editions/012

> … [A] market pay rate/invoicing data product…sell it to the people who need it most -- freelancers and consultants. > Selling to companies on the other side of this equation is also obvious… So basically an invoicing product that provides hourly rate suggestions based on collected data? Surely this must exist already.

You’d think so. I don’t Think you should bother building invoicing though. That’s not the point, price discovery is the only point.

You could just sell the dataset directly IMO, quarterly data is what people care about, and there’s a reason to buy every single year

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