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Re: Ask HN: What is the best jurisdiction for internationally distributed teams?

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I’ve founded companies in the UK, US and EU. I’d recommend the UK. The cost of a limited company is £12. It’s formed in a day. Use https://www.ukpostbox.com if you need an address. The legal system is well known and entrepreneur friendly. Accountancy and company admin are simple and relaxed. HMRC is supportive. You can pay dividends on a flexible schedule. There’s a very large ecosystem of financial support, innovati…

I would have seconded that up to the botched implementation of Brexit, now there are many areas of increased risk because (a) certain things are not yet sorted out (increased uncertainty) and (b) the process is antagonistic and politicized instead of cooperative, so the issues are unlikely to be resolved anytime soon. The UK is still a relative good countries for starting up, just not as good as it used to be.

also you get into double trouble with VAT-MOSS system

Re: Ask HN: What is the best jurisdiction for internationally distributed teams?

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One thing to note if, as a Dutch person (and possibly even if you're another European), you incorporate in the US: Many Dutch financial institutions hate people who have the "US person" status. If you own a US-incorporated company then I believe you will gain that status. Banks, lenders, stock brokers, etc will either refuse to do business with you, or will give you a lot of paperwork headache and/or charge you more…

I am indeed another European and I do know about the issues with being a "US person". Many banks and brokers will simply immediately close your existing account or not allow you to open one. However, are you sure that simply by owning a US company you become a US person? Because according to my understanding if you don't live in the US (and don't spend more than 4 months / year there) you wouldn't actually be tax res…

Even having a US phone number can signal that you are a potential "US person".

Re: Ask HN: What is the best jurisdiction for internationally distributed teams?

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I recently had to consider this and was quite surprised to discover that the US was the best place. Compared to most countries the US has been a tax haven for a long time, but the 2017 tax change meant that in most cases the US would be a significantly cheaper place to recognize revenue.* Also the mechanics of getting the boring things done is significantly easier, as noted by the Germany post cited in your question.…

> Because of the US FATCA law you may have trouble opening a bank account in some countries (smaller entities simply can’t be bothered with the paperwork the US demands on accounts for “US Persons”, a term which has specific meaning). In practice this just means you have to deal with larger banks. You mean opening a bank account personally or for the company? Because for the company I'd simply use Wise or Mercury and…

Australian here. When I open a commercial bank account (i.e., company) here the FACTA regs mean I have to jump through a bunch of hopes to prove I’m not a US person, and neither other the other shareholders. And then I have to re-prove it every few years after it’s opened.

Re: Ask HN: What is the best jurisdiction for internationally distributed teams?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This will require research on each countries laws, some countries have very rigid definitions of what qualifies as employment and will not allow those payments to be classified as contract income, dividends, or anything else.

The way I do it, I set up a limited liability company that is just my own name. I then charge for services rendered and income goes into a company in my sole ownership. I then pay salary to the only employee (me). This is common and completely legal.

I highly doubt this is completely legal, maybe unless you are not expensing the company anything (and transferring all of the revenue as salary).

Re: Ask HN: What is the best jurisdiction for internationally distributed teams?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most US companies will hire remote "inside the USA" but not outside the USA due to potential foreign tax and legal liabilities. While the USA might be good for the reasons you listed, hiring remote full-time employees can be a legal minefield. If every employee is a contractor then that introduces its own legal issues in the USA.

There’s a company called Deel (I’m a customer) that can take a lot of the pain out of this including being the employer of record in many countries. There are others as well. http://letsdeel.com

This does come at a cost as well

Re: Ask HN: What is the best jurisdiction for internationally distributed teams?

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Based on your description, your goals are predictability and low or outsource-able overhead. For those goals, the US is the clear choice. By far the largest pool of investors and employees are comfortable with US entities as counterparties. Plenty of companies will incorporate, prepare tax returns, and handle other compliance items (unemployment insurance) for relatively small fees. As far as states, if you don't car…

On this note, if you're forming a company in the US and some of the owners/founders are not American, be sure to get an accountant and lawyer in the US to confirm your compliance with US foreign ownership laws.

What if you're located outside of the US but a US citizen?

Re: Ask HN: What is the best jurisdiction for internationally distributed teams?

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One thing to note if, as a Dutch person (and possibly even if you're another European), you incorporate in the US: Many Dutch financial institutions hate people who have the "US person" status. If you own a US-incorporated company then I believe you will gain that status. Banks, lenders, stock brokers, etc will either refuse to do business with you, or will give you a lot of paperwork headache and/or charge you more…

I am indeed another European and I do know about the issues with being a "US person". Many banks and brokers will simply immediately close your existing account or not allow you to open one. However, are you sure that simply by owning a US company you become a US person? Because according to my understanding if you don't live in the US (and don't spend more than 4 months / year there) you wouldn't actually be tax res…

Wow you’re getting some bad takes here. Having a phone number does not make you a US Person. Having a bank account there does not make you a US Person. I can only assume people are confusing this with the domiciled test that can exist in other tax jurisdictions. It’s mostly the same criteria as the usual tax resident status (so all citizens + those with work visas + if you’re in the country for 183 days).

HSBC had the most succinct summary I’ve seen: https://www.fatca.hsbc.com/-/media/fatca/pdfs/global---commo...

The Australian Tax Office has a reasonable guide on the overall scheme and how it applies: https://www.ato.gov.au/General/International-tax-agreements/...

Re: Ask HN: What is the best jurisdiction for internationally distributed teams?

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Estonia is also a really good choice within EU. With their digital residency card, everything can be managed online with digital signatures only.

I've heard lots of people talking about Estonia but can you name any international remote-first startup that became successful and raised money with an Estonian entity? I don't and this makes me somewhat suspicious :)

Skype, maybe not remote first, but I think Skype have sort of paved the way/accellerated these efforts in Estonia. But it’s all just a guess…

Re: Ask HN: What is the best jurisdiction for internationally distributed teams?

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I don't see Malta mentioned. They speak English, are in the EU, use Euros, and have low tax. Nice weather too.

Malta ranks high on a corruption index like https://www.transparency.org/en/blog/cpi-2020-malta-lost-in-...

Even better!

Re: Ask HN: What is the best jurisdiction for internationally distributed teams?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You'll also need to consider "alien entity" fees/taxes if you want your "Delaware" corporation to operate in another state, e.g. Texas.

Such fees are basically nothing for a company that makes money High % taxes are where things get way dicier, e.g., some US states have high capital gains / transaction taxes while others are basically 0, which vastly changes how good exits are for employees "Penny wise, pound foolish" => optimize for low opex overhead on growth. Another example: $1K to setup a new state registration for an employee sucks, but is fine…

The annual filing fees and documents required by Delaware is arcane. Things like “annual meeting of the shareholders” for a single-person S-corp.
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