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Re: Ask HN: The middle ground for email self-hosting?

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I just don't understand the attraction of self hosting email. The pain seems extreme, even for those who understand the considerable number of nuances. To me the happy middle ground is email on your own domain but using an existing provider such as G / MS or whoever. That way you've got control but don't need to worry about the pain. It does require paying for but really on balance not much. If you're spending more t…

I've selfhosted my own email for almost a decade now. I was spending about 5 min a month on it until my ip block rep died one day for little decernable reason. Then I wasted many hours on it so I switched to sending through amazon ses and I'm back to my 5 min a month (updating packages/checking logs). It has a few advantages because I can run a bunch of automations and filters. Honestly I get less spam than in my gma…

If it was your IP block rep, then it could have been anyone else on your block who tanked everyone else on the blocks reputation. A few bad apples on a block /24 can tank the lot.

Re: Ask HN: The middle ground for email self-hosting?

#102

I used to do something similar: I hosted my own IMAP, while using Gandi for receiving mail and sending mail. That meant I didn't lose mail on the receiving side if my mail server had an issue, and I didn't fail to deliver mail to others because I hadn't jumped through enough hoops. (Literally everyone I personally know who has run their own mail server has had one or both of those problems at least once.) This worked…

Whats's Gandi please?

Re: Ask HN: The middle ground for email self-hosting?

#103

I think your best bet is Amazon ses. In my recent testing, all mail always go through - unless the recipient marks it thus. It's damn cheap too, like almost free for low volumes. I think Amazon uses this for their workmail also and has become pretty strict at policing abuse. I am only speaking for gmail though, so ymmv for hotmail et al which I haven't checked.

Interesting just met a client who us using Amazon SES with a few domains, all of his emails go to spam, across all domains. Curious aye! Almost like these sender's aren't inpregnable and there is something else going on.

Re: Ask HN: The middle ground for email self-hosting?

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post #16

I'm still wondering why there's no go-to choice to spin up a docker container that has everything preconfigured.

At my company we are using dockerized mailcow on a Hetzner VPS and it has taken us some time to have the IP whitelisted in all major e-mail providers. The easiest to work with have been Microsoft and Yahoo. I still haven't found a way to whitelist our IP on centurylink.net, charter.net and att.com (please let me know if you have any ideas) Some links that might be of help to others: [1] https://sendersupport.olc.prot…

Cannot upvote you enough for the yahoo link.

Re: Ask HN: The middle ground for email self-hosting?

#105

I used to do something similar: I hosted my own IMAP, while using Gandi for receiving mail and sending mail. That meant I didn't lose mail on the receiving side if my mail server had an issue, and I didn't fail to deliver mail to others because I hadn't jumped through enough hoops. (Literally everyone I personally know who has run their own mail server has had one or both of those problems at least once.) This worked…

Whats's Gandi please?

https://www.gandi.net/

They're a domain registrar that also supplies email and hosting and similar services.

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