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Re: Ask HN: Anyone here have good material for learning how to sketch from scratch?

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Draw a Box [0] comes highly recommended. All lessons are free and are taught from scratch. Everything from absolute basics is thoroughly explained and demonstrated. Paid courses by Proko [1] are also said to be of very high quality. I have never bought one, though. I would also suggest that you look into digital art. Sketching/painting/drawing paraphernalia is expensive with time-consuming upkeep and hard to carry if…

The free Proko videos on YouTube are not bad as well -- maybe a good place to turn once you have a few of the basics in hand -- in particular, the artistic anatomy videos are helpful if you get into drawing humans.

In regards to digital art, I recommend the opposite. A sketchbook and a few pencils can be had for far less than the cost of a drawing tablet or iPad, and the physicality of drawing with analog material is, for some of us at least, part of the appeal.

Lastly, try to draw every day: from life, from memory, from imagination. Take whatever classes appeal, for sure... but in the end, the time you put in, drawing things that interest you visually, is what really makes the difference in the long run.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone here have good material for learning how to sketch from scratch?

#102
Look for didactic materials and approaches used by the French Academic painters of the nineteenth century. A good book about the sight-size technique of drawing and painting should be a useful toolset for someone engineering-minded. There are books published within the last 20 years on this approach, and there are thousands of living competent practitioners in the real world.

There are methods of examining and translating our physiological visual experience into an abstraction we call a "drawing" that were developed over hundreds of years. They are very good methods. Don't be intimidated by their age or some imagined importance of an old approach. Anyone can learn to draw given the correct system of reasoning and evaluation.

All that said, don't waste time on anything you do not think is beautiful or inspiring.

Finally, nude figure classes are a great challenge and motivator.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone here have good material for learning how to sketch from scratch?

#103

Charles Bargue's Drawing Course ("cours de dessin" - it's a book) is a classic from the 1800s. It's also in the public domain! https://archive.org/details/C.BargueDrawingCourse/page/n23/m... The idea is to slowly progress through the book by copying each plate accurately (the sizes are scaled down in book form, so zoom in!). I found it very effective for practicing lines, tones, and form. It's nice to pick up fundame…

Went ahead and purchased the book used. Thanks!

This was my introduction to drawing. You will not be disappointed. Drawing from Bargue's lithographs will teach you technique, and taste.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone here have good material for learning how to sketch from scratch?

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Commercial artist for 45 years. Also a developer, FWIW, mostly graphics programming since the late 1970s. _Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain_ is actually one of the best places to start. I know you said you tried it. But try it this way: Ignore all the theory and the stories the author tells. It’s mostly nonsense. But the exercises are actually very good. The trick is to not care about the result and about makin…

Are there any courses that help accelerate developing accuracy in sketching? I particularly want to draw figures and faces and animated poses.

Like maybe something on composition? What about that book cartooning the head & figure?

Or do u just gotta sketch 9000000000000000000 times to get it?

I'm an amateur artist and drew every day as a kid. My sketches always have incorrect proportions if I just try to freehand it. Obviously I could trace but that defeats the purpose. It's frustrating because I already have lots of actual hours put into the craft.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone here have good material for learning how to sketch from scratch?

#105
You could see projection types or technical drawing books/methods.

I suck at drawing 3D with perspective, but with a cheap isometric projection you can draw open spaces fairly easy (ofc there are more perspectives, but for game map sketching, its pretty useful). The main benefit is that you have measured AXIS, so if you dont have the skill to draw a 3D stair, just remember that its a slope between a perpendicular plane.

You can draw 3D functions/shapes this way. There are special methods for some shapes. https://www.compuphase.com/axometr.htm

You could make it even more cheap by using aproximations to the isometric perspective (ex: use 30° from the horizontal line) and rejecting realist proportions: 1) Grab a square grid paper 2) Set a center point, this will be (0,0) 3) Draw a line segment from (0,0) to (2,1), this is your X axis. 4) Repeat the same for the other direction, the Y axis, from (0,0) to (-2,1). Now you have an horizontal plane. 5)Draw a vertical line from (0,0) to (0,2), for the Z vertical axis This is the "cheap" iso projection.

TL;DR When you have Axis, measures and ratios are your friends.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone here have good material for learning how to sketch from scratch?

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Commercial artist for 45 years. Also a developer, FWIW, mostly graphics programming since the late 1970s. _Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain_ is actually one of the best places to start. I know you said you tried it. But try it this way: Ignore all the theory and the stories the author tells. It’s mostly nonsense. But the exercises are actually very good. The trick is to not care about the result and about makin…

> You think you can see things, but what you are really doing is recognizing things. Any normal adult has the motor skills to make a controlled mark. I have reasonably nimble fingers and at least average overall motor control, and really cannot do this. I got pretty good at drawing a handful of things as a kid by just repeating the same pattern every time, but even on those my lines were just awful. I'm sure I could…

If you're interested in investing time into improving (it's hard to tell based on your comment alone) it sounds like https://drawabox.com/ (it's free) starts with just what you're asking for -- how to make straight lines on a page. A big part of the first lesson is practicing how to make confident, accurate strokes using your whole arm.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone here have good material for learning how to sketch from scratch?

#107
Oh oh! I got a recommendation as someone who learnt how to draw from scratch using online resources only. It does however break your requirement of using something like udemy.

Brent Eviston’s course, The art and science of drawing, starts from the basics of how to draw lines and moves its way through measuring, 3d forms, contours, and then into shading and finally gesture followed by full sketches. Follow it fully and you’ll have enough experience by the end of the shading course to start working on other courses too. That latter point is the best part; the fundamentals give you the ability to know how to pick up more skills from other classes.

This is how I would work through it if I was doing from scratch

Complete the basic skills class - https://www.skillshare.com/classes/Basic-Skills-Getting-Star...

Complete dynamic mark making - https://www.skillshare.com/classes/Dynamic-Mark-Making-Drawi...

Move on to 3d forms - https://www.skillshare.com/classes/Form-Space-3D-Drawing-Per...

Contours - https://www.skillshare.com/classes/Contours-Drawing-with-Com...

Measuring and proportions (this one can be done in parallel with the 3d form class once you get to chapter 6) - https://www.skillshare.com/classes/Measuring-Proportion-Draw...

At this point you can start to work through drawabox - https://drawabox.com/ . Some people recommend this as a start, but honestly, if you are starting from scratch it can be hard to know if you are doing things right. The previous courses will give fundamentals to actually enjoy drawabox

Meanwhile, keep progressing on Brent’s courses

Fundamentals of shading - https://www.skillshare.com/classes/Shading-Fundamentals-Draw...

Shading beyond basics - https://www.skillshare.com/classes/Shading-Beyond-the-Basics...

If you have time you can pick up the figure drawing in parallel since you don’t do shading at that point.

Intro to figure drawing - https://www.skillshare.com/classes/Gesture-An-Introduction-t...

Measuring for figure drawing - https://www.skillshare.com/classes/Measuring-Proportion-for-...

Finally , volumetric figure drawing - https://www.skillshare.com/classes/Volume-Structure-Learn-th...

Notably absent from all of this is landscape drawing. Landscape drawing is a different beast depending on how you want to approach it. If you just want to sketch with a pen, the skills you pick up by the time you do the measuring and proportions class of Brent’s will be enough to let you go into any city scape and observe the area and draw. Learning how to let go of certain details and add your expression is a very individual choice so at that point, you can look out for certain artists and study their work to choose what works for you.

Also notably absent from all of this is colour. That’s because colour doesn’t matter without fundamental understanding of form and light in black and white. For this, there are many amazing courses in proko’s online library. Marco Bucci has amazing material. And if you want to do digital painting, Ahmed Aldoori has a lot of stuff.

Basically after you pick up the fundamentals, the choice of courses opens up and each course will teach something new. But without those fundamentals, the value of those classes is hard to absorb.

Feel free to mail me if you want more info or want to chat :)

Re: Ask HN: Anyone here have good material for learning how to sketch from scratch?

#108

My suggestion is to follow Kimon Nicolaides' "The natural way to draw" It's almost the antithesis of Betty Edwards' "Drawing on right side of the brain". Follow the exercises as if you were doing push-ups. At some point you'll probably want to get a model, spend your money on that.

Came to suggest this even though i am not an artist. When i wanted to learn "professional" drawing a while ago, i was recommended this.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone here have good material for learning how to sketch from scratch?

#109

Commercial artist for 45 years. Also a developer, FWIW, mostly graphics programming since the late 1970s. _Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain_ is actually one of the best places to start. I know you said you tried it. But try it this way: Ignore all the theory and the stories the author tells. It’s mostly nonsense. But the exercises are actually very good. The trick is to not care about the result and about makin…

Are there any courses that help accelerate developing accuracy in sketching? I particularly want to draw figures and faces and animated poses. Like maybe something on composition? What about that book cartooning the head & figure? Or do u just gotta sketch 9000000000000000000 times to get it? I'm an amateur artist and drew every day as a kid. My sketches always have incorrect proportions if I just try to freehand it.…

It’s practice and learning. Drawing is just rendering volumes as shapes. You learn first how the process works, then practice to adjust your motor skills. I’ve been drawing on and off since I was 8. I’m 26 now and I’m just decent. The above is what will really help you. Like what is the form of the eye, and what would be its shape from that angle. Then If you can draw any geometric shape accurately (by comparing line length and angle), you can draw the eye.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone here have good material for learning how to sketch from scratch?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I’m in my 60s and have been drawing seriously since my early teens. > I’m just getting started. I think this is intended to be encouraging, but to me it has the opposite effect. If it's going to take me 45 years to just get started, then I won't waste my time on it, I'll do something else instead. Is it possible that you're not just getting started, but you are still learning things, albeit at a much slower rate th…

Here’s another anecdote that might be more to your liking. It’s true, BTW. I started drawing seriously when I was 12. Everyone considered me really amazing by 16. I consider myself to have plateaued at 20. I’m not aware of having improved in any specific way since, but I’m Disney-level good, and I can draw anything from life or imagination in a variety of styles and levels of realism. Portraits too. I’m in my mid 40s…

The gap between what I imagine and desire motivates my art and coding. "Damn, I can't find what I want to listen to. I guess I'll have to make this song up that my brain wants to hear, myself."
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