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Ask HN: What caused the Olympics to become so terrible?

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Re: Ask HN: What caused the Olympics to become so terrible?

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I’m with you - no one has even mentioned the Olympics to me in any way this time around. I saw the waning interest coming with the last couple Olympics as well. I think many factors contribute to this trend:

1. We have other ways to connect globally thanks to the internet, so we don’t need the Olympics to see a shallow representation of each country. YouTube is a better view into other cultures.

2. We are more aware of the impact and drawbacks of the Olympics, like the costs and associated corruption. It is incredibly irresponsible for any city to volunteer to host it.

3. The politics of the Olympics is not new but it is much more visible and easy to recognize, and that turns viewers off. Things like China having a female Uyghur light the Olympic torch.

4. We have other, better forms of entertainment that use up our limited time.

5. I think collectively there’s a pullback from broadcast sports even as there is a renewed interest in participating in sports personally. It’s not just the politics of it, although that has become a focus even outside the Olympics (NFL NBA etc). It’s that there is an absurdity to caring about what someone achieves when they throw away the rest of their life and just focus on a sport. Someone with that kind of focus in the interest of science is capable of producing lasting impact and move humanity forward. But with mass sports it’s just entertainment and vanity. I think there’s a rising consciousness around this aspect.

Re: Ask HN: What caused the Olympics to become so terrible?

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I don't know where you live, but my experience is that in the US, the network coverage just ruined the Olympics because they don't "get it." I grew up in a different country--not the US, China or Russia. We typically hope to get a half dozen medals and a gold would be a Big Deal. As a result, if you turn on the TV, you get random coverage of any of the hundreds of individual competitions. Modern pentathlon! The one w…

I worked on the BBC's British coverage of Sydney, Salt Lake City and Athens Olympics (2000-2004). The sibling comments here are absolutely right - the US coverage is terrible compared to the quality of the output of other broadcasters. The problem is that US audiences only want to watch American competitors and most popular sports here are ones where the majority of teams and players are American. The Olympics isn't…

> The problem is that US audiences only want to watch American competitors

Is this an established fact, or just a widespread belief among US broadcasters?

And yes, the BBC Olympics coverage is awesome. During the London games, I chose to pay for a proxy service so that I could use iPlayer and catch the BBC rather than suffer through NBC's useless attempt.

Re: Ask HN: What caused the Olympics to become so terrible?

#103

No idea how China got to host the Olympics.

It's one of the largest countries on Earth, the one that is probably seeing the most growth and winter sports' practice in the world, and it's neither in Europe or North America and has the means to organize such global event. So it seems like a very good choice and the development of winter sports in the country was even mentioned by the IOC President during the opening ceremony.

Re: Ask HN: What caused the Olympics to become so terrible?

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post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems like there was this crazy escalation of spending promises to win the bid. At some point responsible democracies dropped out, the irresponsible democracies, so all that was left were authoritarian nations looking to improve their image without changing. Now it seems like even the authoritarian nations are deciding it's to expensive and you see responsible democracies getting back in with more realistic bids.

Except that the next Olympics are due to be held in France, Italy, USA, Australia - and only one of those is partly an authoritarian nation. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Olympic_Games_host_cit...

Only one? Love your optimism.

Re: Ask HN: What caused the Olympics to become so terrible?

#106

One aspect is that NBC has a lock on the Olympics for the US. Their streaming service is utter trash - unreliable, bad quality video, confusing menus (couldn't even figure out how to watch live events), rewind and fast forward don't have preview (at least on Roku), so you have no idea where to stop, no overlays describing any details of the stream, no editing of recorded events (i.e. 45 minutes of a zamboni cleaning…

> The Olympics is about setting that aside for a moment

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-55794071

Ah.. just set it aside for just a moment..

Re: Ask HN: What caused the Olympics to become so terrible?

#107

It's mostly the way the Olympics are covered on TV that changed, I think. > Propaganda fest for authoritarian regimes This hasn't changed though. Rather than a celebration of sport and achievements, the modern Olympic quickly become ultra-chauvinistic, and not just for authoritarian regimes.

Yeah the coverage is not fun hard to follow.

Re: Ask HN: What caused the Olympics to become so terrible?

#108

One aspect is that NBC has a lock on the Olympics for the US. Their streaming service is utter trash - unreliable, bad quality video, confusing menus (couldn't even figure out how to watch live events), rewind and fast forward don't have preview (at least on Roku), so you have no idea where to stop, no overlays describing any details of the stream, no editing of recorded events (i.e. 45 minutes of a zamboni cleaning…

> The Olympics is about setting that aside for a moment https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-55794071 Ah.. just set it aside for just a moment..

You are repeating state department propaganda about Uighur camps. Most of the information about Xinjiang has been coming from CIA contractors and vague satellite photos. They were claiming that 2 million (out of 10 million) people were in camps until it became untenable to maintain this lie. There's no doubt that China is an authoritarian state with major human rights issues there, but it's not at the scale being claimed, and it isn't some unique or new situation as it is being presented, and they aren't any worse than the human rights abuses the US commits. For instance, the US has the world's largest prison population, which jails millions, disproportionately minority. This is just as egregious as anything China is doing in Xinjiang. And you've got the US killing millions in the middle east over the last few decades. Guantanamo bay is still open.

But yeah, China is the one who needs to be pointed out. How is it not obvious that this is an intentional campaign by the US government to attack China's image? They said nothing about Saudi Arabia or Israel when they marched out during the opening ceremony. And Israel is a rogue nuclear nation and apartheid state with millions in lockdown, which is not even hidden, and finally acknowledged by Amnesty International in the last few days. NBC's comments were to fawn over the first orthodox jewish woman in the Olympics. What's next? To fawn over the first evangelical christian doing whatever? The hypocrisy is frustrating in the extreme.

Re: Ask HN: What caused the Olympics to become so terrible?

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I'm not a big fan of politics, but this article[0] really struck a chord with me. And I think it does a good job at giving some insight to your initial question. [0]: https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/feb/04/china-opens-wi...

That article is kinda garbage. I'm no fan of China but this seems like an obvious hit-piece on China. e.g.:

> One of those performing the symbolic act was the Chinese cross-country skier Dinigeer Yilamujiang, who is of Uyghur heritage... That, to put it mildly, was a highly provocative act.

China gave an Uyghur person this high honor. It seems like a positive gesture. How is it provocative? Black people face systemic abuse in the US, are routinely shot by the police and form a persistent underclass but the US had Muhammad Ali light the flame in the '96 Atlanta Games. Was that a provocative act?

> For no amount of odes to peaceful coexistence can hide the fact that these Games will be the most controversial and difficult since Moscow in 1980. Perhaps even Berlin 1936.

More controversial than the Berlin games!? The author doesn't back up this well at all. The author also makes regular Olympics things seem sinister. e.g.

> When Xi was introduced to the crowd of around 25,000 bussed-in spectators before the ceremony began, TV cameras captured him waving and accepting applause for longer than usual, as if he was accepting several encores before the Games had even started.

This happens everywhere but he makes it sound negative.

> The fact that the US, Britain, Canada and others are staging a diplomatic boycott in protest at China’s human rights record is obviously a major factor.

US, Britain and Canada have beef with China and are using the Games politically. Nothing wrong with that but it doesn't make the Games and more or less controversial. US, UK and Can have previously not boycotted Olympics and other sporting events in other authoritarian regimes.

> But the severe Covid restrictions, athletes in quarantine, the lack of real snow, and a shortage of spectators are significant too.

Tokyo also had COVID restrictions. Vancouver and other Winter Games have used snow machines in the past plenty as well. The author mentions later "Earlier, when crowds arrived at the Bird’s Nest stadium they were handed hats and blankets to protect them from the freezing conditions". It does snow in Beijing and it was cold – it is not their fault it didn't snow.

> Within the first 15 minutes, a Chinese flag was also passed through a crowd of people said to represent ethnic groups across the country, while soldiers carrying the flag were then seen marching across the stadium.

The author makes this sound negative and propoganda-y. But in the Vancouver Olympics, the Conservative Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper sat with various First Nation Chiefs, but they're otherwise treated poorly in Canada. US often has soldiers even in non-national sporting events.

All in all, this is appalling and not what I expected from The Guardian!

Re: Ask HN: What caused the Olympics to become so terrible?

#110

The hyper-focus of tv coverage on this-person-from-our-country rather than just showing all the sports

The coverage is very different where I am. Discovery plus has love and archive footage of nearly everything to stream.

From what I can see, Discovery+ only has Olympics content available in the UK, Italy, and Spain. https://sports.yahoo.com/analysis-discovery-beijing-winter-o...
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