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Ask HN: Whatever happened to exploring the internet?

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Re: Ask HN: Whatever happened to exploring the internet?

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You explored it. That's it. Turns out there's less of it than you imagined. There are, of course, plenty of sites that you could visit. Most of them will be incredibly boring. Years ago you found that interesting just because it was all new, but you don't any more because you've seen similar things already. I suspect that most of those "5 to 6 sites" are aggregators like Hacker News where people seek out new stuff (o…

I think this is half the explanation. The other half is that people stopped making cool internet things just out of the passion and craft of it. Now everything on the internet is "content," a hyper optimized form of human intellectual output that is devoid of art, minimal on information, excreted instead of created, measured to the lowest common denominator, monetized yet worthless, just enough bait on the hook for the next lizard brain click. And we ourselves have changed, trapped in this giant skinner box, too hooked on the next dopamine hit to dig deeper for our novelty. Even professional journalism is quite dead and with it went our collective consensus reality; instead we are left in a house of mirrors looking at endless reflections of special interest talking points. The world is an incredibly interesting place, but none of that makes it to the internet anymore.

In the meantime, go read an old gem, seat61.com and reflect on what we have all lost.

Re: Ask HN: Whatever happened to exploring the internet?

#102

Could it be that your over 30? There is a problem known as the multi-armed bandit problem[0]. The problem deals with situations where you have to chose between different options you could take, but you don't start off with full knowledge of the options. You can spend time learning the options (exploring) or you can spend time using the best option you already know of (exploit). Importantly, you can't do both at the s…

I disagree that is has to be this way. I am getting older, but still exploring every day. You do need to keep moving on to green pastures as old ones have been chewed over. In 2021 I'll have lived in 6 cities in 3 countries. I've also been going down the rabbit hole on VR which is fresh technology terrain for me and takes me back to when I was 17 and setting up home networks for the fun and awe of it.

Re: Ask HN: Whatever happened to exploring the internet?

#103
post #65

You explored it. That's it. Turns out there's less of it than you imagined. There are, of course, plenty of sites that you could visit. Most of them will be incredibly boring. Years ago you found that interesting just because it was all new, but you don't any more because you've seen similar things already. I suspect that most of those "5 to 6 sites" are aggregators like Hacker News where people seek out new stuff (o…

I think this is half the explanation. The other half is that people stopped making cool internet things just out of the passion and craft of it. Now everything on the internet is "content," a hyper optimized form of human intellectual output that is devoid of art, minimal on information, excreted instead of created, measured to the lowest common denominator, monetized yet worthless, just enough bait on the hook for t…

> The other half is that people stopped making cool internet things

Nah, it was always a small group of people making cool internet things. Now they are just drowned out by the commercial internet.

Re: Ask HN: Whatever happened to exploring the internet?

#104
In the early days of the internet, search engines (and there were multiple, not just one major one) would show a broader variety of results so it was easier to stumble upon new interesting stuff and small, growing communities.

Nowadays, all the top results of Google are websites which are already popular so it's not possible to 'discover' a new community through Google. Other less popular search engines use very similar algorithms based on backlinks so they all show more or less the same results as each other.

VCs aren't interested in funding Google competitors, unfortunately. I'm sure there exists algorithms which are good at finding relevant websites and which are different than the one used by Google but it would disrupt the current economic order.

Re: Ask HN: Whatever happened to exploring the internet?

#105

I've put some thought on this topic, and I think the driving force between the Internet seeming so small nowadays is a combination of changes to how search engines work, as well a move from forums to big social media which has meant a shift from organic community discovery to being drip-fed content from based on what an algorithm thinks will be engaging. The Internet, as you remember it, still very much exists. Some…

> I think the driving force between the Internet seeming so small nowadays is a combination of changes to how search engines work, as well a move from forums to big social media which has meant a shift from organic community discovery to being drip-fed content from based on what an algorithm thinks will be engaging. I think you hit the nail on the head. Google used to prioritize forum posts in their search results. T…

A similar thing has happened with Google News. It used to be that News was a search engine that basically told you all the latest blog posts and discussions on a topic, rather than trying to provide capital-N News. I was recently looking for that functionality to find discussions on an obscure topic and it's completely gone.

Re: Ask HN: Whatever happened to exploring the internet?

#108

Well for starters, we used to call it "Surfing the Internet" not "exploring the internet". The modern web was designed to rope you in and keep you there. Look up random stuff that interests you, not using a big name search engine. Then if you find a site on a webring, and look at connecting sites.

A lot of the original metaphors for "using" the internet carry connotations of exploration or perusing, but they've been in use for so long the meaning has sort of gotten worn off. Listen to these words and think about what they actually mean: Internet Explorer , or Web Browser , even Netscape Navigator with its nautical theme has such connotations.

You can add konqueror, and safari to this list

Re: Ask HN: Whatever happened to exploring the internet?

#109

Could it be that your over 30? There is a problem known as the multi-armed bandit problem[0]. The problem deals with situations where you have to chose between different options you could take, but you don't start off with full knowledge of the options. You can spend time learning the options (exploring) or you can spend time using the best option you already know of (exploit). Importantly, you can't do both at the s…

I'd argue that the explore/exploit model has worked bi-directionally between entrepreneurs and consumers on the internet. The big companies have explored our weaknesses and exploited them in ways to monopolize our time and interests while having a few decades to perfect it. That, and as you mentioned, a growing elderly base on the internet that's settled more on the sources of information they consume.

Re: Ask HN: Whatever happened to exploring the internet?

#110
Check out Marginalia [1] which has been posted about and mentioned a few times on HN in the past. It’s a search engine which aims to show more text-heavy websites. I’ve found it to be very reminiscent of “exploring the Internet” and I have found some truly interesting sites while using it which I would have never found via Google.

[1]: https://search.marginalia.nu/

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