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Re: Ask HN: What tech job would let me get away with the least real work possible?

#101
> I think the only possible jobs would be some kind of backend-only dev or devops/sysadmin work. But I'm not sure these exist anymore

Actually, if you work for a large MSP (ie, IBM, CGI, DXC) then you'll probably be able to find a job that fits all of those requirements. They'll undoubtedly have contracts with orgs that just want to outsource managing their infrastructure and that's a pretty easy gig.

Re: Ask HN: What tech job would let me get away with the least real work possible?

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I don't know about putting in the least amount of effort for 5 days a week. But what I do know is that in my country, the Netherlands, part-time work is more and more becoming the standard. Already, 75% of women and 30% of men work 32 hours a week or less. In many sectors the fulltime standard has been lowered to 36 hours, which means every other Friday off. I myself started on 40 and will move to 32 hours somewhere…

I'm extremely curious about this from a practical perspective. (Disclaimer: American, so probably not the best work-life perspective) As far as company / coworker expectations, how does this work? Are responsibilities / work adjusted to fit the hours provided? What about being on-call? It seems like something a lot of companies should be taking advantage of, but the desire to own souls fights against it.

Yes, responsibilities will be adjusted accordingly. On-Call depends a bit on your sector and what the unions agreed. Most of the time one hour on call will count for 0.25 hour worked I think, at least that's how it was for someone I knew.

And most people simply put their days / hours in their e-mail signature so other colleagues know when to expect a reaction. From personal experience this works fine. Half my team is off every Friday and some also on Wednesdays.

Companies can and do require 36 or 40 hours though, but most of the time vacancies will list something like "24-36" to signal the possibilities.

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edit: for your curiosity: https://www.cbs.nl/nl-nl/visualisaties/dashboard-arbeidsmark...

It's in Dutch, but as long as you know that 'uur' = 'hour' you can read the charts.

As of 2020, 72% of men worked 35 hours or more (full-time) compared to 26% of women.

Re: Ask HN: What tech job would let me get away with the least real work possible?

#104
If you have a good pre-existing network of contacts (or have a modicum of networking skills/are willing to do a bit of legwork) I’ve found there’s a constant demand for “low-end” sysadmin/devops work for small businesses - usually they just need someone to be on call in case their AWS/virtual hosting/or Shopify what have you go down. You could probably gather about a half dozen or so of those contracts, set up some alerts, and spend no more than a few hours a week on average of work and pull in enough to cover all your bills.

Like others, I’d recommend looking into FIRE principles at least, particularly the idea of Safe Withdrawal Rate - basically every $25-30 you have invested = $1/yr you can spend for the rest of your life.

Re: Ask HN: What tech job would let me get away with the least real work possible?

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This is an awesome question. I hope someone has good strategies for you. Life should be spent doing the things you find worthwhile, and the fact is, not all of those things are monetizable. Given how esteem- and success driven HN as a platform is... you might not get too many ideas since I suppose people want to maintain their "hireable" status. Success and "loving your job" are more or less empty phrases unless you…

As someone who sympathizes with your comment ("tech stack complex and fugly") and has made moves both ways in terms of salary (high to low for QoL -25%, then low to high again +50%), start with your requirements . OP did a great job of saying "Here's what I need ." Until that's staked out, you don't know what's too little, enough, and too much. But generally, minimizing and controlling costs (critically, through city…

Sure, most important thing is to know yourself and your preferences.

In complex technical niche fields jumping from gig to gig is not that easy, though.

I was perhaps overtly bleak in the above for the benefit of clarity (it's ok not to love your job, but it's also ok to concentrate on things you love and the thing does not need to be your job).

Re: Ask HN: What tech job would let me get away with the least real work possible?

#106
I am also searching for similar one but I specifically mention part-time and remote. I have fairly regular skills and so far no luck. Most of the times I get discriminated response due to my cost of living in India. But i am surely confident about getting the one.

I think devops is great fit for you.

Re: Ask HN: What tech job would let me get away with the least real work possible?

#108

The best I can suggest is sysadmin for some boring government agency. It doesn't fit the "fully remote" part, but otherwise you are free to do whatever you want as long as everything is up and running. You also don't need to manage anyone, although you do have to talk to angry users once in a while.

That would be nice. I'm perfectly content watching htop and adding some VMs once in a while while playing WoW.

Really, any company with say >2500 (?) falls in this category. It's an entire job of several people to just maintain the worker Inventory (laptops, monitors, etc) room for example. It takes a lot of infrastructure to support a company of size, plenty of people in my 10k person company doing what you want - run the company that runs the product.

Re: Ask HN: What tech job would let me get away with the least real work possible?

#109
It sounds to me like you're experiencing burnout (possibly lockdown-related) and/or have worked unsatisfying jobs and/or for not-so-great employers. I worry that the strategy you declare you intend to pursue, while pragmatic, won't lead to long-term happiness or fulfilment. We all need to feel useful and have a real mission for at least some of the time. Hopefully you could find something, maybe part-time, at a government agency, non-profit, university or college. The fact you don't care about salary works wonders in your favour. If there's a job out there that's fulfilling and not stressful, but pay is such they struggle to get and retain people, you could be on to a winner there and find your "mojo" again. I think plenty of people on HN have had such motivational ruts in their career and come out the other side. I personally do a 4-day-week mid-level job despite possibly being "capable of more", due to caring responsibilities and desire to pursue other hobbies. Good luck, I think you're brave to ask this question on HN and its a nice alternative discussion to workaholism / protestant work ethic.

Re: Ask HN: What tech job would let me get away with the least real work possible?

#110
First of all, I think it's great that you don't want to find a job that you enjoy. That would be scary and difficult, and who really wants to face their fears, or make a "normal" amount of money, or be a "constructive member of society" ? Sounds annoying. (And with all that meaningful work, there'd be less time to drink mountain dew and live a pretend life in a computer game)

Second, look for jobs where your only task is to shepherd some black box and make an occasional change. DBAs, Systems Administrators, Quality Engineers, Middleware Engineers. Plenty of jobs where your only responsibility is to make sure some random commercial software is just... running. If you do it right, you can be working 2 or 3 of these jobs at once and nobody will notice.

Third, look for contract work. Contractors generally are expected to suck at their jobs, and even if you do a piss-poor job of it, they'll just move you to another contract soon afterward. All you have to do is make the bosses happy and you don't have to be productive at all. (This works better in larger contracting companies)

Fourth, put your resume and e-mail out there in public resume-hunting sites. You will get bombarded by random e-mails from headhunters for jobs you aren't qualified for at all. Apply for those positions. Lots of hiring managers are morons. You're bound to get one, it's a numbers game!

Finally, once you get such a job, make sure to come back to HN and complain about how bad your job is. Nothing's more inspiring than under-achievers lamenting their lot in life.

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