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Re: Ask HN: My company wants my side project. What can I do?

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Always always always talk to a lawyer. If your dog walker (at the peak of their career) friend was like “I need a website” you wouldn’t be like “learn JavaScript” you would say find a programmer. If I had 10 dollars for every time I had to spend weeks convincing an engineer friend to talk to an attorney and then when they finally did it got dealt with in 30 minutes... Lawyers are just “full stack law architects” do y…

I find kneejerk advice to consult lawyers for anything that concerns the law frustrating for two reasons: 1. It never seems to be accompanied with advice on how to find the appropriate kind of lawyer. 2. It almost always seems to ignore the fact that lawyers are expensive. Sure, there are times when that cost is warranted, but I don't think it is right to ignore it. For example, in this case, it is probably only wort…

So basically in that example you are the lawyer consulting your dog walking friend. Sounds like solid advice to me.

Re: Ask HN: My company wants my side project. What can I do?

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But this is the obvious answer. OP didn't need you to tell him to get a lawyer. If he had that kind of money he'd be talking to a lawyer not us. I mean I know you meant well and I know I probably sound like a negative jerk but yeah of course it's a legal issue and he should talk to a lawyer. It's like if someone has a stomach ache and they asked online what it might be and someone tells them they should see a doctor.…

> If he had that kind of money he'd be talking to a lawyer not us. He, and you, may not know that you do not always need money up front to engage the services of a lawyer. Many lawyers extend credit to their clients or allow clients to condition their fee on a successful outcome (a contingent fee). Depending on the desired outcome in this case, such an arrangement may be easy. For example, if OP wants to arrange a sa…

I always had the impression that programmers and developers should be well enough paid to afford some first legal consulting.

Re: Ask HN: My company wants my side project. What can I do?

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Thank you for the comment! I totally get what you and other threads are trying to say and I don't disagree with what you are saying. I probably should have cleared this out in my original post (my bad) that I do not wish to pursue the legal route. I personally feel that in my case, it will just drain everyone's energy for not much gain at the end. Also, personal relationships matter to me as well. I'm trying to find…

You don't go to the lawyer to sue your employer. You go there to understand your legal position. This gives you leverage in negotiations. The way you use that leverage is then explain why you feel something is not fair. In a professional context, you can explain your position in legal terms when you take a compassionate, kind stance, smile and analytically explain the situation from both sides. It's no more different…

I wholeheartedly agree with your comment. The core is that OP created something of value, in his own time. So there should be a value exchange of some sort.

Re: Ask HN: My company wants my side project. What can I do?

#104

Find a lawyer, ASAP, that specializes in employment and / or IP. This is a legal issue and you need to solve it with people that know the law. Talking, signing, admitting things, etc, only hurt you. Depending on your country and state, as well as your employment agreement, there are a lot of impactful variables. Intuition and personal relationships are not going to help you solve this issue, especially, absent knowin…

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Re: Ask HN: My company wants my side project. What can I do?

#105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But this is the obvious answer. OP didn't need you to tell him to get a lawyer. If he had that kind of money he'd be talking to a lawyer not us. I mean I know you meant well and I know I probably sound like a negative jerk but yeah of course it's a legal issue and he should talk to a lawyer. It's like if someone has a stomach ache and they asked online what it might be and someone tells them they should see a doctor.…

> An out-of-the-box idea might be to find a paralegal on FIVERR and ask them to dig up resources to read up on. Ideas are a picodollar a dozen. Why don't you try this one and tell us how it works out? Or, at a minimum, find out if you could even theoretically hire a paralegal on Fiverr?

Seems like it'd be a pretty bad idea on the paralegal's part to take the gig.

Re: Ask HN: My company wants my side project. What can I do?

#106
post #80
post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you for the comment! I totally get what you and other threads are trying to say and I don't disagree with what you are saying. I probably should have cleared this out in my original post (my bad) that I do not wish to pursue the legal route. I personally feel that in my case, it will just drain everyone's energy for not much gain at the end. Also, personal relationships matter to me as well. I'm trying to find…

You don't go to the lawyer to sue your employer. You go there to understand your legal position. This gives you leverage in negotiations. The way you use that leverage is then explain why you feel something is not fair. In a professional context, you can explain your position in legal terms when you take a compassionate, kind stance, smile and analytically explain the situation from both sides. It's no more different…

This is excellent advice

Re: Ask HN: My company wants my side project. What can I do?

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Depends on what you signed in your employment contract. Microsoft et al clearly state that they own that code. What I dont get is why is it a problem at all if it's open source. Just give it to them with the name changed (you keep the branding) and you can always keep working on your fork

Re: Ask HN: My company wants my side project. What can I do?

#109
post #72
post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Always always always talk to a lawyer. If your dog walker (at the peak of their career) friend was like “I need a website” you wouldn’t be like “learn JavaScript” you would say find a programmer. If I had 10 dollars for every time I had to spend weeks convincing an engineer friend to talk to an attorney and then when they finally did it got dealt with in 30 minutes... Lawyers are just “full stack law architects” do y…

I find kneejerk advice to consult lawyers for anything that concerns the law frustrating for two reasons: 1. It never seems to be accompanied with advice on how to find the appropriate kind of lawyer. 2. It almost always seems to ignore the fact that lawyers are expensive. Sure, there are times when that cost is warranted, but I don't think it is right to ignore it. For example, in this case, it is probably only wort…

If you have a medical problem, you go to a doctor. If you have a legal problem, you go to a lawyer.

If you can't afford a lawyer you might as well roll over right now because that will be the end game.

The idea that some advice given in an online forum would reduce the need for finding a lawyer is akin to taking medical advice from a forum. You have no idea what the qualifications/experience/jurisdictions are of the people giving you advice so it might be good/neutral/detrimental.

Get a lawyer, one that specializes in IP and if possible to find those skills in one person as well as in employment law in your place of residence.

Re: Ask HN: My company wants my side project. What can I do?

#110

Find a lawyer, ASAP, that specializes in employment and / or IP. This is a legal issue and you need to solve it with people that know the law. Talking, signing, admitting things, etc, only hurt you. Depending on your country and state, as well as your employment agreement, there are a lot of impactful variables. Intuition and personal relationships are not going to help you solve this issue, especially, absent knowin…

Have used George Grellas (longtime HN poster) for things like this in the past and been very happy: http://grellas.com/

Seconded, I've referred lots of people to George over the years and never heard a single complaint.
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