I don't understand why so many people recommend baby Rudin (Principles of Mathematical Analysis). The presentation in Rudin is not merely terse, but also quite dry and unmotivated. I suggest you avoid it--regardless of how much talent or maturity you have. There are plenty of more interesting texts which will teach you just as much: Spivak and Pugh are nice, I also recommend the recent two-volume work by Zorich. By t…
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I'm familiar with the expression. Its use here indicates that the reviewer believes the world is divided into those who are smart enough to follow the book and those who are wastes of time. If it's not obvious why that sucks, imagine going to this professor's office hours if you're having trouble following a proof. Imagine that, rather than thinking you might just not have seen this style of proof before and trying t…
It doesn't really imply that. He just says, a bit stridently, that he thinks the book is targeted at people who will make maths the primary focus of their study. The other stuff is mostly you extrapolating a lot from a single offhanded remark. Reviews are not office hours. Going out to cherrypick additional 'data' doesn't really make your conclusion more sound. The dude wrote some sentence you don't like and next thi…
But in the review he wasn't just talking about "people who make maths the primary focus of their study." If he had just been talking about students' areas of interest or work ethic I would never have objected. It was specifically this: "One should pick one's audience carefully... and treat these gifted kids like apprentices." In my experience that approach misses a lot of talented people who were different enough not to get matched by the "gifted" filter.
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#104I don't understand why so many people recommend baby Rudin (Principles of Mathematical Analysis). The presentation in Rudin is not merely terse, but also quite dry and unmotivated. I suggest you avoid it--regardless of how much talent or maturity you have. There are plenty of more interesting texts which will teach you just as much: Spivak and Pugh are nice, I also recommend the recent two-volume work by Zorich. By t…
Question: I did EE degrees. Trying to fix possible gaps, I am going through Robert merlose notes on functional analysis. He refers to rudin for metric spaces. I am comfortable reading rudin, but I am hoping for an intuitive motivation for abstract definitions in general. Metric spaces have a physical motivation. What does one gain, if it is axiomatized? Maybe my bigger question is, in mathematics research, will abstr…
By axiomatizing a definition we can begin to prove theorems rigorously. If we formally abstract a concept and deduce formal statements from it (which can themselves be quite unituitive), we can be confident that the statements apply to the concrete situation at hand. On the other hand, if we always worked only with concrete or physical examples, we would have to figure out everything from scratch every time. A good general theory is one which concisely explains many specific cases at once.
For example: Can every periodic continuous function be approximated uniformly to whatever degree of precision we like by a partial Fourier sum? If we abstract away what's important, and study the situation in the general context of Hilbert spaces, we can answer this question not only for this specific case but also for a broad class of families of approximants in one fell swoop. We save a lot of effort by doing this, and we also usually gain extra insight into the problem.
Still, you don't want to abstract too early. It's important to understand the concrete case first before jumping a level in abstraction, otherwise you end up understanding nothing. If you're having any trouble with metric spaces (I'm not sure if you are) then you might find it helpful to look at a few specific examples to see what they're used for. Examples: In coding theory, we often use what's called the Hamming metric, the distance between two words. In graph theory, there is a natural geodesic metric: the shortest distance between two vertices as a walk along the edges. If that's not concrete enough, consider the popular "6 degrees of separation" rule: people are vertices and relationships are edges. Of course there are the usual examples of Euclidian space R^n, unitary space C^n, and the other various normed spaces you're studying in functional analysis.
By working with the axioms of metric spaces we can prove theorems which apply to all such cases at once. Here's an example of a tricky theorem: Let x be a point in a metric space. Suppose a subsequence satisfies the condition that each subsequence has a subsequence which converges to x. Then the entire sequence converges to x. You wouldn't want to prove this theorem from scratch in every specific concrete case! It's more efficient to abstract out the essential features (the axioms) and then prove the theorem in the general setting.
As for your other question: Set theory is (in my opinion) not a fundamental feature of mathematics. It just so happens that mathematicians today like to axiomatize everything in terms of set theory. Still, sets will always be useful even if we don't choose to define everything in terms of sets. A set is (loosely speaking) nothing more than a collection of objects, and we'll probably always find it useful to deal with collections of objects.
As for symbols: What more is a symbol than a hook on which we havg an abstraction? How can we manipulate abstractions if we don't have symbols for them? I'm using the word "symbol" in the broad sense here, which includes diagrams (or pieces of diagrams) and words in a natural language. If you want to see abstractions manipulated via diagrams and words, take a look at classical sources (say, pre-1500's). I believe our modern notation is far more amenable to manipulation and understanding.
In short: In mathematics, abstraction and symbol manipulation are the name of the game. If we have no symbols then we have no abstraction and no mathematics.
Re: Ask HN: Resources to learn real analysis?
#105Earlier quoted context omitted.
It doesn't really imply that. He just says, a bit stridently, that he thinks the book is targeted at people who will make maths the primary focus of their study. The other stuff is mostly you extrapolating a lot from a single offhanded remark. Reviews are not office hours. Going out to cherrypick additional 'data' doesn't really make your conclusion more sound. The dude wrote some sentence you don't like and next thi…
Well, if you're going to take the high road and give him the benefit of the doubt, I won't argue further. Maybe I'm just being cynical. But in the review he wasn't just talking about "people who make maths the primary focus of their study." If he had just been talking about students' areas of interest or work ethic I would never have objected. It was specifically this: "One should pick one's audience carefully... and…
in the US, i believe the real analysis course for non-honors courses at R1s is often based on something like ross, abbott, or bartle & sherbert, whereas for non-R1s (where most math majors will be teachers) it may be based on something like lay or wade instead. these books are more accessible to students with less mathematical maturity.
i think what the reviewer is saying is that it would be a mistake to use this book in one of those non-honors courses with a poor faculty-student ratio. even if you do have some students who have the interest and ambition, you'd be doing a disservice to the rest. you'd be exceeding the level of interest for most and unable to support anybody adequately.