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Ask HN: How much do you make at Facebook/Amazon/Apple/Netflix/Google/Microsoft?

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Re: Ask HN: How much do you make at Facebook/Amazon/Apple/Netflix/Google/Microsoft?

#101
W2 Contractor Senior Software Engineer, $85/hr, REACT/Rails Posting as anonymous. Regular HN user here. I work in Denver, Colorado at a TV company. I am a contractor through a local tech firm. I am making $85 an hour on a W2 open ended contract. Through my contracting company, I get access to 401k (no match), medical/dental/vision (company pays atleast 50%) and they send me to conferences/training.

I really dig the gig, they treat me like an employee but pay me like a contractor. I tend to take 5-6 weeks of time off (unpaid) so I tend to make $160,000-165,000 at the end of the year.

My background is about 10 years of tech experience. Working on React currently. CS degree.

Re: Ask HN: How much do you make at Facebook/Amazon/Apple/Netflix/Google/Microsoft?

#102
If you are interested in compensation numbers and have thick skin (its anonymous so there is a lot of racism/sexism/bullshitters/negative hostility and more), I recommend getting the mobile app blind as there is a ton of this information there. I will regurgitate some of that information here for you though.

For level comparison at different companies, lots of people point to http://levels.fyi

Here is a compensation poll for amazon employees only based on job title and level with 161 responses: https://goo.gl/V9QKHh

The total compensation rages I have heard for Amazon are 145k for new grads, 170k-230k for SDE 2, 250k-350k for SDE 3, 400k-600k for principal engineers. There are 2 more levels after that but have not really seen any data for those levels.

Here are Facebook's total compensation numbers quoted from "fmwf":

E3: 107K-125 Salary, 40k stocks a year, 10% bonus.

E4: 140k-160k Salary, 70k stocks a year, 10% bonus.

E5: 170k-195k Salary, 120k stocks a year, 15% bonus.

E6: 200k-220k Salary, 200k stocks a year, 20% bonus.

All Facebook numbers assuming expected performance if you kill expectations you get more (25%-200% more shares).

Re: Ask HN: How much do you make at Facebook/Amazon/Apple/Netflix/Google/Microsoft?

#103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

* Basic supply and demand. As long as you manage to hire developers, why pay more? * The job market is a lot more scattered than in the US, there are fewer hubs concentrating software jobs. This dilutes competition. * The job market is typically less fluid. This translates into more job security, but also a certain complacency. * Europe hasn't seen the birth of many very-high margins software companies, generating mi…

I agree with all of your points, but want to add an observation : > Basic supply and demand. As long as you manage to hire developers, why pay more? I know of several companies (Norway) that are almost desperate for more talent - to the extent that they are turning down lucrative projects. Nonetheless, I am also not aware of any of them making significant changes to their compensation. I can only theorize as to why t…

> concern for parity within the organization.

That sounds a bit silly. If you're doing so well you need to turn down contracts, why not look further out for new talent, attract people with generous relocation/signing bonus, and then give everyone a raise once your marginal revenue is increasing?

Re: Ask HN: How much do you make at Facebook/Amazon/Apple/Netflix/Google/Microsoft?

#104
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I make around 60k usd in a Scandinavian startup as a programmer with experience I'm still trying to wrap my head around why European developers earn significantly less than virtually all their American counterparts, even in high cost of living areas (like Scandinavia) I do understand you specified you work for a startup, but even at one of the many established regional consultancies dev salaries tend to cap out at…

My perspective of it from the UK: - $60k/year is a lot of money for most people. Median household income is £24k - and people are generally more worried about whether they're better or worse off than the people they know than in absolute terms. In the UK most good careers cap out at £50-60k - maybe £10k more in London. Growing up, I always considered 6 figure salaries to be out of reach. - It's not necessarily about…

> It's not necessarily about being _content_ with earning that much.

I think this was poor wording on my part, as it implicitly assigns blame on the employee. I've edited my comment to reflect that I'm more curious as to why the market as a whole compensates devs less.

Re: Ask HN: How much do you make at Facebook/Amazon/Apple/Netflix/Google/Microsoft?

#105
Is there a way for an outsider to figure out which level they would be slotted into if they passed the interview process? For instance if you are a "senior engineer" at an average company, would Google only interview you for Senior+ roles or could you potentially interview for any available job and be evaluated and hired as say SWE II or something?

Re: Ask HN: How much do you make at Facebook/Amazon/Apple/Netflix/Google/Microsoft?

#106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with all of your points, but want to add an observation : > Basic supply and demand. As long as you manage to hire developers, why pay more? I know of several companies (Norway) that are almost desperate for more talent - to the extent that they are turning down lucrative projects. Nonetheless, I am also not aware of any of them making significant changes to their compensation. I can only theorize as to why t…

> concern for parity within the organization. That sounds a bit silly. If you're doing so well you need to turn down contracts, why not look further out for new talent, attract people with generous relocation/signing bonus, and then give everyone a raise once your marginal revenue is increasing?

I agree, but here's a counterpoint / devil's advocate argument -

It's broadly true that wages tend to be "sticky downwards", and that it's much easier to not give something than to give it and then take it away.

As you correctly noted, there's much higher job security in European markets relative to the US. This also means that companies might be reluctant to over-extend themselves in good times, for fear of having no effective way of regulating salaries downwards in a prolonged slump.

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#107

Staff SWE, Google Seattle. Total 2018 comp will be around 550k with a roughly 55/45 equity/cash split if GOOG shares remain constant. Historically they have typically gone up meaningfully over the course of any given year. The cash component includes base salary and bonus.

I'm still a student, I have a few questions: -What tech skills sets do you have? Do you need a MS/PhD at your level? If not, does it help? In school we learn the standard algorithms/data structures material, but I want to expand my horizons and begin learning what is applicable to industry. I am very curious to learn what someone at your level has skills in. I'd like to pick up something not taught in school and begi…

Not going to talk about my specific skills (throwaway account).

The algorithms stuff is useful. More useful than it seems. It comes up often in many engineering jobs. Perhaps more importantly at your stage in life, it will get you an internship.

Do internships. If you miss the one you really want, think hard about why, then try again. Internships are the best place to start into my next piece of advice.

Specialize in something valuable while you're in school or once you start into your career. Jobs I might look for if I were entering the work force today:

- Image processing or other noisy data handling.

- Robotics, especially something requiring interdisciplinary skills like control theory.

- Deep learning techniques are all the rage; you'll be much more useful if you understand how they work and can build novel topologies. Being taken seriously here will likely require a portfolio (maybe graduate work).

- Systems programming is an unending hellscape of horrible problems. Some people seem to enjoy it.

- If you have a knack for it, security. It takes a certain deviousness to think of new ways to misuse things. It takes a wizard to do something like Meltdown and Spectre.

It doesn't really matter what you become a domain expert in as long as it's valuable. It does matter that you don't treat "domain expert" as a fixed target.

In terms of extracurricular work, find an open source project that's got engagement from companies with lots of senior people (Kubernetes would be a good example, it has many very talented people working on it). Fix open bugs. Fix the onboarding experience. Start with trivial things and go from there. Don't get dismayed when you end up with hundreds of review comments, that's how you learn.

Regarding compensation, the split is approximate. The cash is both salary and an annual bonus paid out in January. The stock is actual stock, not options, so every month some number of Google shares show up in my brokerage.

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#108

Staff SWE, Google Seattle. Total 2018 comp will be around 550k with a roughly 55/45 equity/cash split if GOOG shares remain constant. Historically they have typically gone up meaningfully over the course of any given year. The cash component includes base salary and bonus.

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#110
I'm at a gigantic (50k+ employees), soul-sucking company that is mostly nontechnical business consulting, working remote as a Software Architect from a borderline-BFE city. $105k + 150%ish 401k match up to 5% of pay + decent benefits. Supposedly some kind of bonus next month.
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