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Re: Ask HN: What’s your favorite talk from 2017?

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Post by nicolashahn »

DeusExMachina wrote: post #9

Not a single talk, but a series: Jordan Peterson’s Psychological Significance of the Bible Stories. As an atheist I found his explanations extremely interesting. Peterson is a brilliant scholar and draws connections between psychology and brain structures, human evolution, and religion. I don’t believe in any trascendental being, but listening to these lectures made me understand better the psychological and moral va…

I like these ones (and even having attended Catholic high school, it was the first piece of media that made me actually realize how much human wisdom could be embedded in religious texts), but found his 2017 Maps of Meaning lectures more impactful, personally. He uses his archetypal lens on Pinocchio instead of Genesis for the first few lectures. There's a lot of content overlap but if you liked the Biblical series, definitely check out Maps of Meaning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8Xc2_FtpHI

Re: Ask HN: What’s your favorite talk from 2017?

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Post by erlend_sh »

DeusExMachina wrote: post #9

Not a single talk, but a series: Jordan Peterson’s Psychological Significance of the Bible Stories. As an atheist I found his explanations extremely interesting. Peterson is a brilliant scholar and draws connections between psychology and brain structures, human evolution, and religion. I don’t believe in any trascendental being, but listening to these lectures made me understand better the psychological and moral va…

A complimentary resource to this series: “What is the Bible?” by Rob Bell - https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/31706459-what-is-the-bib...

Re: Ask HN: What’s your favorite talk from 2017?

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Post by mclightning »

0xcde4c3db wrote: post #99
DeusExMachina wrote: post #86

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I might suggest to look at the full videos instead of the edits, especially if they have a clickbait title. They are usually one-hour long videos or more, I know. But that clears every doubt.

Are there copyedited transcripts or lecture notes somewhere? I'm interested in giving Peterson's ideas a fair shake, but I'm not interested in sitting through hours of him talking on YouTube. I find his style of speech confusing, and the audio quality is often pretty poor on top of that.

I also share that confusion while listening to his talks. I would imagine his ideas spoken in a way like Richard Feynman, would make paradigm shifting effect to current mainstream ideas.

He should maybe adopt a more journey-like story telling, or more analogies. Maybe avoid references to "whatever-isms" etc. Also less tangents and sticking to main topic would improve.

Re: Ask HN: What’s your favorite talk from 2017?

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Post by api »

Reedx wrote: post #98
youdontknowtho wrote: post #91

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"alt left" isn't a thing.

I was just using that as short hand. Illiberal Left or Regressive Left are better terms. (though I should've said SJWs for short since that's what Peterson usually calls them in this context, IIRC)

There is no left anymore. There are only different kinds of reactionary.

Re: Ask HN: What’s your favorite talk from 2017?

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Post by [deleted] »

DeusExMachina wrote: post #72
bqe wrote: post #53

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Here's some dispassionate inquiry: he leans on IQ far too heavily to explain how the brain works. While there is correlation between jobs and IQ and some research that shows a mild inverse relationship between IQ and crime, it's not the end-all-be-all of psychology, as he claims, "If you don’t buy IQ research, then you might as well throw away all of psychology." What of all of the other areas of psychology? If IQ wa…

He does not claim at what you say at all. I'll try to summarize his position on IQ without doing him a disservice. * IQ is highly correlated to intelligence (what is called technically g). Highly enough that you can use it as a measure of general intelligence. * IQ is the only test we have that accurately measures intelligence and that is not a self-report test. * IQ has been shown to be the highest predictor for suc…

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Re: Ask HN: What’s your favorite talk from 2017?

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Post by utbabya »

markc wrote: post #87
bufferoverflow wrote: post #81

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You are correct, both matter, but the genetic part definitely plays a role, and it snowballs (less intelligent parents will not teach their children as well). The point remains, when you see a random black person and a white one and an asian, and a jew, your average racist will factually be right in guessing their relative intelligence, regardless of the cause. The point I'm trying to make is that we shouldn't treat…

>when you see a random black person and a white one and an asian, and a jew, your average racist will factually be right in guessing their relative intelligence Wrong. Individuals are not populations. The most you could say is that if someone guesses a large number of times they'll be right slightly more often than not. This is not a trivial point.

* Unpopular comment alert *

I get where you're coming from, racism sucks. Statistically the odds are different, stereotypes are usually pretty accurate.

Think recruitment and probability, let's say it cost you $200/hr to screen a candidate from CV to interview and you have $1000. We have law to ban it as an assessment criteria, on paper. It's also morally wrong (at level 3 or level 4 of the moral pyramid).

Warm fuzzy feeling is just that, politically correct is easy. Personally I think nationalism is stupidity, but that's our history and who we are. I feel comments like these is head burying in some way, that masks us from the actual fixable problems like unconscious bias. How about we acknowledge the act of giving equal opportunity to assess people individually as a good act of social responsibility while we're still trying to fix environment and education for the less fortunate.

Re: Ask HN: What’s your favorite talk from 2017?

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Post by apuchitnis »

DeusExMachina wrote: post #72
bqe wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's some dispassionate inquiry: he leans on IQ far too heavily to explain how the brain works. While there is correlation between jobs and IQ and some research that shows a mild inverse relationship between IQ and crime, it's not the end-all-be-all of psychology, as he claims, "If you don’t buy IQ research, then you might as well throw away all of psychology." What of all of the other areas of psychology? If IQ wa…

He does not claim at what you say at all. I'll try to summarize his position on IQ without doing him a disservice. * IQ is highly correlated to intelligence (what is called technically g). Highly enough that you can use it as a measure of general intelligence. * IQ is the only test we have that accurately measures intelligence and that is not a self-report test. * IQ has been shown to be the highest predictor for suc…

Would love to see sources for your beliefs, mainly because they sound fascinating and that I would like to learn more.

In particular, studies showing factors relating to success in life, and the relationship between crime and low agreeableness.

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