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Re: Ask HN: How much do developers earn in Europe?

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Post by Bahamut »

seszett wrote: post #97
atmosx wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am European and live in Europe but I've always been paid in USD and my salary is negotiated in USD, so I am not sure what parent means or why does currency matter.

Well currency matters if you want to compare all answers. Also, the question specifically says "in €, otherwise specify" ( edit : ok, I see it was added later). It's weird that you are paid in USD in Europe, isn't it? How comes?

A lot of US companies tend to pay in USD regardless of locale when hiring remote.

Re: Ask HN: How much do developers earn in Europe?

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Post by RobertoG »

varjag wrote: post #61
gambiting wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But major cities, and therefore most of the workforce, are in Europe. I mean what else, are you going to make the argument that Russia belongs in Asia more than in Europe?

It does not belong to Asia either. Russians distance themselves from the both insisting on their own, superior God chosen ways.

Why the antagonist tone?

Specially in a thread like this that is far from political matters.

And how can you talk in the name of all the Russians?

I know more than one that don't think like you say.

Re: Ask HN: How much do developers earn in Europe?

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Post by dragandj »

gressquel wrote: post #99
gokhan wrote: post #95

Please add Turkey.

Turkey is not in europe.

How so? Their CAPITAL, and decent chunk of territory are on the continent called Europe. a couple tens of millions citizens live there. Just counting those would put them in the first ten-ish most populous countries in Europe.

Re: Ask HN: How much do developers earn in Europe?

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Post by stale2002 »

varjag wrote: post #90
gambiting wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What else could they be? Martians? They can even call themselves Australian if they want to, but it doesn't change the fact that anything West of Urals is continental Europe. Moscow, most importantly, is a European city, regardless of how Russians feel about such description.

Which brings us to my original point again: noone cares where the landmass is. Russia does not identify with Europe by choice. On Russian TV there is nothing but mocking Europe and all it stands for; majority of Russians poll as actively hostile to Europe. Russians can't freely travel across Europe (nor can Europeans to Russia). Russia conducts military exercises simulating attacks on European capitals, and actively…

Because what matters is context.

Whether or not Russians fantasize about attacking Berlin has absolutely nothing to do with conversations about tech salaries.

I'd say that in the context of conversations about European tech salaries, Western Russian cities should absolutely be included.

Re: Ask HN: How much do developers earn in Europe?

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Post by dragandj »

varjag wrote: post #90
gambiting wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What else could they be? Martians? They can even call themselves Australian if they want to, but it doesn't change the fact that anything West of Urals is continental Europe. Moscow, most importantly, is a European city, regardless of how Russians feel about such description.

Which brings us to my original point again: noone cares where the landmass is. Russia does not identify with Europe by choice. On Russian TV there is nothing but mocking Europe and all it stands for; majority of Russians poll as actively hostile to Europe. Russians can't freely travel across Europe (nor can Europeans to Russia). Russia conducts military exercises simulating attacks on European capitals, and actively…

Russians can and do travel freely over vast swaths of Eastern part of European continent. This is incidentally a huge chunk of Europe the continent. Moreover, Russians are Europeans. It seems to me you are confused by the adjective European in European Union. European Union is a large union of states, with most territory in Europe. There are (quite a few) more countries in Europe that are not a part of EU. They are 100% as "European" as someone living in EU.

Re: Ask HN: How much do developers earn in Europe?

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Post by kuschku »

Bahamut wrote: post #101
seszett wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well currency matters if you want to compare all answers. Also, the question specifically says "in €, otherwise specify" ( edit : ok, I see it was added later). It's weird that you are paid in USD in Europe, isn't it? How comes?

A lot of US companies tend to pay in USD regardless of locale when hiring remote.

That would suck so much, taking a 30% paycut just in the past 7 months due to this.

Re: Ask HN: How much do developers earn in Europe?

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Post by RugnirViking »

_hao wrote: post #53

Reading input from my own country it seems I'm grossly underpaid right now.... Makes me feel extremely bad. Perhaps it's time for negotiations with my boss.

If its a couple percent it might be doable, but typically if you're underpaid the best option is move companies - even though you might like where you are right now, you can negotiate less hours for the same pay. Staying won't give you many options, and often, you can even jump right back into your company higher up the chain.
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