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Ask HN: What are we doing about Facebook, Google, and the closed internet?

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Re: Ask HN: What are we doing about Facebook, Google, and the closed internet?

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Post by curiousgal »

doke01 wrote: post #60

Make your website of record your website. Make social media platforms and others (e.g. Google) secondary to that. Don't let Google and Facebook control how you build your website. I am amazed at companies that take their websites and subjugate them to their Facebook page. You may gain social attention but you are handing over control. Never, ever, ever say to contact me go to facebook.com/xxxx or my email address is…

>Don't let others own you by taking that from you.

Others doesn't include whoever provides your MX records.

Re: Ask HN: What are we doing about Facebook, Google, and the closed internet?

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Post by ams6110 »

pascalxus wrote: post #21
bounded wrote: post #10

What would it take for a new social network to take users off facebook in 2017?

Start by making a list of cons. What do people not like about facebook? What's the problem with using facebook? That's where your answer lies.

Most people don't have any problem at all with Facebook. We're in a very small echo chamber here on this thread.

Re: Ask HN: What are we doing about Facebook, Google, and the closed internet?

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Post by avarun »

tobydownton wrote: post #23
gwicks56 wrote: post #17

Be interested in what HN thinks of Maidsafe, Storj etc. Basically decentralised versions of the internet or the cloud based around blockchain technology. Storj for example is an order of magnitude cheaper than AWS, uses peoples spare hard drive space, encrypts everything and back it up using peer to peer tech. I am currently pretty comfortable as an Android dev, but I am wondering if I should start learning everythin…

I came here to see if anyone would mention blockchain technology (which I personally believe is an important part of the solution). Yes, there are the DApps you've already mentioned, but I think the following might be as important in addressing the concern raised: uPort: Self-Sovereign Identity ( https://www.uport.me/ ) Userfeeds - Content Ranking System (userfeeds.io/) Status - Messaging Platform ( https://status.im…

Has Brave gotten any traction among users?

Re: Ask HN: What are we doing about Facebook, Google, and the closed internet?

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Post by worldsayshi »

sillysaurus3 wrote: post #72

What I'm getting from this thread is that we're sort of fucked. The only way to stop Facebook and Google was to become them before they had a chance to. That way you'd presumably be more benevolent. Maybe that's true for Facebook, but it's still hard to imagine for Google. I think the bigger problem is cross-generational power. YC itself is somewhat terrifying in this regard, but that's a different topic. In regards…

I think that this doesn't have to be true at all. Because of slow but inevitable commodification of the core technological concepts that make up their edge toward the rest of the market.

Open source search engines are still years behind what Google can do, but those technologies are much nimbler and easier to customize. Reactive paradigms, dockerization, open source tools for machine learning. Such tools might benefit the small players to allow building technology that might disrupt the big players.

Then again, many of those tools come from the big players which kind of defeats my point here...

Re: Ask HN: What are we doing about Facebook, Google, and the closed internet?

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Post by kakarot »

doke01 wrote: post #60

Make your website of record your website. Make social media platforms and others (e.g. Google) secondary to that. Don't let Google and Facebook control how you build your website. I am amazed at companies that take their websites and subjugate them to their Facebook page. You may gain social attention but you are handing over control. Never, ever, ever say to contact me go to facebook.com/xxxx or my email address is…

Ok, but what about the other 99% of the population who are too busy to completely learn ops and opsec? My mom isn't going to leave facebook to make her own website and host her own email, even if you give her all the tutorials in the world.

Re: Ask HN: What are we doing about Facebook, Google, and the closed internet?

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Post by jfim »

jeremyjh wrote: post #82
weego wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More important I think is this misunderstanding that this is a technical problem to solve.

The technology is insufficient but necessary. Users want features. Open standards that allow implementation of those features are a (small) but necessary part of the solution.

> Users want features.

They want more than just features, they want to get them for "free."

We've had equivalent standards in the late 90's and early 2000's (RSS, ATOM, XML-RPC pingbacks, etc.), had open/free code for that (MovableType and WordPress) and yet personal blogging mostly died because it was easier to just post on Facebook and there was a bigger audience there.

Facebook from that perspective is "free," as in no software to install, no updates to do and no servers to pay for. Running your own install of some blogging software entails paying for it, having a lower audience and having to handle software updates (and database upgrades, plugin upgrades, templates, etc.).

Re: Ask HN: What are we doing about Facebook, Google, and the closed internet?

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Post by nobodynoes »

devrandomguy wrote: post #51
bounded wrote: post #10

What would it take for a new social network to take users off facebook in 2017?

Integrate with Facebook. Don't force people to choose one system or another. Then people will diffuse across the barrier.

use Facebook oAuth to log into a facebook clone? Will they let that happen?
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