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Ask HN: Can we brainstorm a better way to find a co-founder?

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Re: Ask HN: Can we brainstorm a better way to find a co-founder?

#11
If a business founder is looking for a CTO to double staff from one to two, it's already a bit of a lost cause. The title doesn't add value and suggests a mindset that isn't focused on whatever it takes to get things done. Instead it emphasizes a tendency toward bureaucratic partitioning.

If I were a technical person, the primary trait I'd want in a co-founder is a willingness to do whatever needs to be done, and an aversion to structures that allow "it's your job, not mine" discussions. There's a difference between complementary skills and specialization. At 30 people specialization becomes hard to avoid, at two people both need to own everything.

Good luck.

Re: Ask HN: Can we brainstorm a better way to find a co-founder?

#12
Maybe you're looking for me?

If you're interested in becoming co-founder of a growing, cash-flow positive business in a giant market, please reach out.

In short, Forkable is "Pandora for Lunch". AngelList profile: https://angel.co/forkable

My email can be guessed from my first name, "Joe"

Re: Ask HN: Can we brainstorm a better way to find a co-founder?

#13
If you're technical looking for a cofounder, you should have a prototype built already in order to attract good business / operations people and you should understand that you must own everything and toil for endless hours to get that product built.

If you're business / operations looking for a cofounder, you should have some money raised already and you should understand that you must always be raising. It doesn't stop. Ever. Just as building the product doesn't stop. Ever.

Operations focused people should be really fucking good at sieving hires. Heart, skill, engagement, and team coordination are critical in an early stage startup and hiring one grumpy butt or that intern you think is smart but cheap could really screw you badly.

(just a few thoughts on my numerous lessons learned over building four startups)

Re: Ask HN: Can we brainstorm a better way to find a co-founder?

#14
The explanation for why there's no good answer is because the people who most want a co-founder are the people who least deserve a co-founder. People who are easily able to find a co-founder just do it instead of asking questions on the Internet. This is intensely frustrating to the people asking because they feel like life owes them a co-founder somehow and if they only found the right hacks, one would magically appear. Instead, the answer is simply to be more impressive and tell more people how impressive you are and things by and largely fall into place.

I'm also highly skeptical of any marketplace solution like Founder Dating. The median outcome of a startups failure so a median quality co-founder will almost certainly result in failure. You need to find people on the extreme end of the bell curve for success to be likely. Those people are highly unlikely to frequent marketplaces since they have more demand than supply. To the extent that any successful startups get formed from Founder Dating, I wager it's more accident than engineered.

Re: Ask HN: Can we brainstorm a better way to find a co-founder?

#15
I was a developer that partnered with a stranger. He's an MBA with a purely business background. I'm the full stack + product guy. I'm never co-founding a business with a stranger ever again.

We failed probably because of not what you're thinking. My business co-founder brought more to the table than I could imagine. I've gained a lot of respect for the hard work of sales, marketing, fundraising, and the people that make these tasks seem so easy.

We got hundreds of customers, made $10k revenue per month, and had a staff of 5 at one time. All bootstrapped over the course of 12 months.

The thing is, we were not happy working with each other. When shit hits the fan (which happens often in a new business), we just get on each other's nerves. On paper, we have perfectly complimentary skill set. He's a charming people person. I'm a proficient developer. In reality, the fact that we're so opposite means that we're always seeing and doings things differently. When we're in a grind, he wants to hi-fives to boost morale and I want to put my head down to ship faster.

If I were to do it again. I'd find a smart, hardworking person that brings me energy and that I'd bring them energy when the shit hits the fan. I wouldn't care if they're a CEO, CTO, C-whatever-O. I'd look for someone that I'd enjoy working with above all else.

Re: Ask HN: Can we brainstorm a better way to find a co-founder?

#16
post #10

>For me, I want to meet a CTO. You have to realize that it's harder for a "business" guy to attract a technical cofounder rather than for a programmer whiz to attract a business guy. It's definitely a handicap. The programmer can build something and that can jumpstart the cascade of people (including business people) to join the cause. As a non-tech person, what do you offer potential tech cofounders? If you give off…

Definite up votes. Or you have an MBA from Harvard that VCs love. Or a successful exit under your belt. You have to bring to the table real assets and accomplishments. Personality is not a plus at first and will only play out over time. Same thing with brains/creativity. These are not easily measurable.

That being said, if you are unproven, you could relax your standards and try to convince a kid out of university to be your CTO.

Re: Ask HN: Can we brainstorm a better way to find a co-founder?

#17
The real question here is what you bring to the table in an early stage startup. You can put yourself around the type of people you need to meet, but at the end of the day they are not going to be your co-founder unless you bring something to the table. Why do they absolutely need you in order to succeed? Maybe:

- You are a sales or marketing wizard

- You have domain specific knowledge and experience

- You have critical connections

- You have funding

You probably need several of these to be an attractive co-founder. Another way of saying it is: what will you be working on every day that will cause the startup to succeed? The technical co-founder is going to work on building the product every day. Without that you can't succeed. Why does he need you to succeed? That is what you need to communicate to potential co-founders.

If you have a good way to convince potential co-founders that they need you, then how to find them? It could be that you are successful with founder dating programs but starting a startup is a huge commitment. Do you really want to do that with a stranger? I think it makes a lot more sense to do it with a college friend or a former colleague.

Re: Ask HN: Can we brainstorm a better way to find a co-founder?

#18

I was a developer that partnered with a stranger. He's an MBA with a purely business background. I'm the full stack + product guy. I'm never co-founding a business with a stranger ever again. We failed probably because of not what you're thinking. My business co-founder brought more to the table than I could imagine. I've gained a lot of respect for the hard work of sales, marketing, fundraising, and the people that…

> We failed probably because of not what you're thinking.

No. We were all thinking that.

Edit: You didn't see 2 total strangers with no history and completely different ideologies having problems running a business together? That is what these downvotes and OP seem to suggest.

Re: Ask HN: Can we brainstorm a better way to find a co-founder?

#19

I was a developer that partnered with a stranger. He's an MBA with a purely business background. I'm the full stack + product guy. I'm never co-founding a business with a stranger ever again. We failed probably because of not what you're thinking. My business co-founder brought more to the table than I could imagine. I've gained a lot of respect for the hard work of sales, marketing, fundraising, and the people that…

Agreed. You need someone you can happily brainstorm with for hours and hours on end. If it isn't fun, if either of you would rather be doing something else, I find that's a good sign it's time to cut loose. Brainstorming problems is what you'll be doing endlessly when you are building a company together. I also find its the one thing most easily measured.

That being said, just because you can brainstorm with someone doesn't mean you'll be successful. You could be mediocre which is why it's easy for you to find someone you can brainstorm with. But it is a sign of a good cofounder.

Re: Ask HN: Can we brainstorm a better way to find a co-founder?

#20

I was a developer that partnered with a stranger. He's an MBA with a purely business background. I'm the full stack + product guy. I'm never co-founding a business with a stranger ever again. We failed probably because of not what you're thinking. My business co-founder brought more to the table than I could imagine. I've gained a lot of respect for the hard work of sales, marketing, fundraising, and the people that…

> We failed probably because of not what you're thinking. No. We were all thinking that. Edit: You didn't see 2 total strangers with no history and completely different ideologies having problems running a business together? That is what these downvotes and OP seem to suggest.

I'd really like you not to speak on my behalf.
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