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Sounds like a security flaw ripe for social engineering

Customer support by itself tends to be a security flaw ripe for social engineering.

Phone support can be tricky yes, but there are other ways to identify the caller without storing their password in plaintext

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Customer support by itself tends to be a security flaw ripe for social engineering.

Phone support can be tricky yes, but there are other ways to identify the caller without storing their password in plaintext

Callbacks? Users PII? There's really no good ways to do phone verification. You can't use any kind of shared secrets as people forget those.

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Phone support can be tricky yes, but there are other ways to identify the caller without storing their password in plaintext

Callbacks? Users PII? There's really no good ways to do phone verification. You can't use any kind of shared secrets as people forget those.

My bank uses an automated system to verify a pin (ie the operator transfers you to confirm identity then you come back)

But it also depends on the realm. Before the saas craze, a lot more support was performed in-house meaning you didn't have the same scale of problem.

Re: Ask HN: How to out a MAJOR online company storing passwords in plaintext?

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How do you know it's actually plain text? There are plenty of 2-way encryption methods out there. Do you work there? If so, are you willing to lose your job over it? These sorts of leaks can have devastating effects on the company/customers. You should also think about the employees that work there as well. Are you willing to risk their jobs in the event that the company loses money?

What legitimate use case is there for implementing a 2-way encryption method over a hash function for passwords?

I never said it was the best method to use over a hash function. However, it's much better than plain text and it would be unethical to say the company didn't have any security of the original poster doesn't know for sure.

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Callbacks? Users PII? There's really no good ways to do phone verification. You can't use any kind of shared secrets as people forget those.

My bank uses an automated system to verify a pin (ie the operator transfers you to confirm identity then you come back) But it also depends on the realm. Before the saas craze, a lot more support was performed in-house meaning you didn't have the same scale of problem.

Verify a pin? But that's still something you have to remember, not providing support for users who have forgotten their passwords doesn't tend to be an option.

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My bank uses an automated system to verify a pin (ie the operator transfers you to confirm identity then you come back) But it also depends on the realm. Before the saas craze, a lot more support was performed in-house meaning you didn't have the same scale of problem.

Verify a pin? But that's still something you have to remember, not providing support for users who have forgotten their passwords doesn't tend to be an option.

As I said, it's for my bank, so it's my card pin - I already need to remember it.

Also as I said - this was much less of an issue when companies maintained IT departments and installed software. It's much easier to verify that Julie on the phone really is Julie when it's an internal support mechanism.

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