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Re: Ask HN: Which file storage service would you recommend for the long term?

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I use a Synology NAS drive that backs up to Amazon Glacier for an expensive (but invaluable) restore if my NAS drive goes up in a fire.

Synology gives me my own private cloud (all major OS and mobile clients) and loads of other benefits as well.

I'm very happy with it.

Re: Ask HN: Which file storage service would you recommend for the long term?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dropbox (which you have heard of) is built on top of Amazon S3. Glacier is a sibling product to S3 and similiarly unlikely to disappear.

Just because Dropbox uses S3 right now doesn't mean they always will. If S3 goes down, Dropbox will probably just use something else.

Honestly curious...what's your knowledge of the company named Amazon? That is, how much smaller do you think Amazon is (by any metric, market cap, revenue, size of engineering operations) compared to Dropbox?

Re: Ask HN: Which file storage service would you recommend for the long term?

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What to use depends on your use case. Are you looking for backup or are you looking for sync and 'always there'? For the former, I'd recommend using Amazon's Glacier or Google's Nearline storage. If you intend to retrieve your files often, Nearline will do better as the costs are lower and retrieval is faster. You'll likely want to wait until it's out of beta first though, which might take a while. If you don't inten…

I'm wary of Google products, because they seem to go through radical changes or get killed off pretty regularly.

EDIT: same with iCloud (or MobileMe or whatever it was before that)

Re: Ask HN: Which file storage service would you recommend for the long term?

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I'm a fan of Backblaze. Been using them for about 6 years. They meet all of your requirements. They don't make it particularly easy to access your files from another device (not a great cloud interface like Dropbox), which is probably one way they keep costs low ($5 per month, unlimited storage).

Re: Ask HN: Which file storage service would you recommend for the long term?

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Haven't used it, but seems to fit your use case: http://aws.amazon.com/de/glacier/

Seeing as I haven't heard of it, it doesn't seem to meet my criteria of being popular enough to be likely to be around in 50 years. EDIT: It's Glacier I haven't heard of, not Amazon.

You're asking for cloud storage recommendations and haven't heard of Amazon S3?

Re: Ask HN: Which file storage service would you recommend for the long term?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seeing as I haven't heard of it, it doesn't seem to meet my criteria of being popular enough to be likely to be around in 50 years. EDIT: It's Glacier I haven't heard of, not Amazon.

Dropbox (which you have heard of) is built on top of Amazon S3. Glacier is a sibling product to S3 and similiarly unlikely to disappear.

Dropbox doesn't use S3 anymore. They did initially. That being said S3 is a pretty good solution.

Re: Ask HN: Which file storage service would you recommend for the long term?

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I use Arq [https://www.arqbackup.com] which is provider dependent and doesn't lock you into a specific cloud like Backblaze or Crashplan.

You can set it up to sync to Glacier/S3/Dropbox/GDrive/OneDrive/Local NAS/FTP server or any combination of them if you want to have multiple copies.

I get 1TB of OneDrive free with Office365 so backup to that but also to S3 so that if I was to stop using Microsoft I'm not tied down.

Has unlimited upload rate; never deletes files; good restore client; can be bought with unlimited upgrades for $60 and at 1TB (without taking into account accessing the data) on S3 you'd pay $30/month | $24/month reduced redundancy or $10/month on glacier for less frequently accessed data.

Because it's a bit more expensive I only tend to put absolute essentials (like photos) on S3. Arq does also compress to help save some cost here.

Worth mentioning that Arq also encrypts everything client side before transmitting so everything is stored encrypted as well. Might be important for you.

Re: Ask HN: Which file storage service would you recommend for the long term?

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How much 'be able to access my files' do you need - constant refreshing, or just the ability to recover? Glacier will give you the latter, for a price, but is designed to be something that you only read from during an emergency. Writes / updates, and storage, are very cheap.

Disclaimer - I work for Riverbed, who used to have a lovely product called WhiteWater, subsequently renamed SteelStore and sold to NetApp. This is a backup / archive system that uses whatever 'cloud' (not a word I'm fond of) backend you prefer. Data is de-duplicated at ingress, and encrypted at rest. It would require a local VM, but that's a small matter these days. No idea on pricing.

If you're at all inclined, and primarily to address the '50+ years' requirement, you could look at rolling your own solution. Architecture would be (initially) something like a RPi with a 3TB drive - bought and installed at (at least) two friend's places. Perhaps a contra-deal arrangement with them. VPN for security & convenience. LUKS for at-rest encryption. Something sitting on top of rsync (over SSH) for in-transit encryption + file-level deduplication -- I use dirvish[1] for archives that are too large / too binary blobby for git. I've got two family members already doing rsync (using unison[2]) backups over the net to VMs I host that then get dirvished.

[1] http://www.dirvish.org [2] http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/

Re: Ask HN: Which file storage service would you recommend for the long term?

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Another service for $5 / Month Unlimited Cloud Backup is https://www.backblaze.com/ I haven't used it for accessing individual files from backup, just whole drive backup.

It's a little clunky to restore individual files (at least it was a few years back when I used it), but not horrible. I'd be worried about losing files just because it doesn't have an infinite history. If something corrupts your data and you don't notice, the good version will be gone in a few weeks. Over 50 years the chances of that happening add up.
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