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Ask HN: How to not base self worth on your own work?

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Re: Ask HN: How to not base self worth on your own work?

#11
First, realize that "all your life" is not really that long if you're 20 years old. You've got a long ways to go and you will absolutely change over time, usually without even noticing it. You're in college right now, don't sweat it like this is going to be your whole life.

Second, I would suggest getting some different kinds of hobbies. Do a bunch of different kinds of things. One benefit of this is that if you know ahead of time you won't be good at them so it's easier to not hang your self worth on them. You'll also meet different kinds of people who aren't just CS people doing projects you can judge them on. Doing lots of different things also makes you a more interesting person.

Third, in terms of your programming; find more joy in the process and the trees instead of investing everything in the forest of The Project. If something turns out worse than you thought but you learned a lot, great.

Re: Ask HN: How to not base self worth on your own work?

#12
Work is work. You are a human being, not a machine.

That code you output? It's meaningless in the grand scheme of things. Cherish what makes you human, not what makes you a good worker.

Do things that you love outside of work. They will be just as meaningless in the grand scheme of things, but they will matter to you. Base your self estime on those.

Work is there for one reason and one reason only. To get you money to do the things you like and to give you the means to cherish the people you love.

Bake a cake, share it with someone. It's just as meaningless as outputting code, but you made two people happy. The code you make at work? The only thing it's making happy is the wallet of someone.

If you love to code above all else, do code. But try to only base your self estime on personal projects. Work is work, and your workplace shouldn't be tied to your self worth.

Re: Ask HN: How to not base self worth on your own work?

#13
When projects I have fail I am generally pretty proud to talk about them. Usually it means that I have some new weird subset of knowledge that very few other people have.

This is crazy cool. People, technical and non-technical, generally love to hear these personal stories. They eat it up.

Working on things so they become popular isn't a good way to approach the process of working on projects. Working on things because you think it is cool IS.

If something you work on fails just know you have THAT much more knowledge about whatever you were doing than the next person now.

Re: Ask HN: How to not base self worth on your own work?

#14
post #8

One of my great epiphanies as an American expat is that Americans have a tendency to be extreme. They often have one thing that they use to define themselves. They are driven to be the best at their 'one thing'. - People who go to church on Sunday feel the need to tell you about it on Monday. - The guy at work who runs marathons, is running all the time. He never comes to lunch because he is doing a practice run. - P…

At least for the running example, running marathons is extreme. A lot of people run 6-10 mile distances, precisely because it doesn't take over your life. You might be surprised at how many people you know run and don't talk about it ;)

More broadly, I think you're falling into the trap of assuming the loudest/most prominent people represent the average. Just like there are a lot of people who run and also do other things, there are lots of people who are quietly religious.

I don't even get where being fat comes into this? There are a lot of factors that go into Americans being fatter on average than Europeans, but your list devolved into the typical one-dimensional "I hate North Americans because I moved to Europe and I'm so continental now" rant.

> Aim to be more well-rounded

Good advice for everyone, regardless of where they live.

Re: Ask HN: How to not base self worth on your own work?

#15
I find this same effect in myself, but I've managed to moderate it down by identifying things that give me a sense of satisfaction. I suspect these aren't terribly transferrable, but here are some things that work for me.

- Mentoring other people. Helping other people who are missing a skill that I have do something cool gives me that same kind of elation that I'd get from doing it myself. It doesn't necessarily take piles of time, but feeling useful is good for my feeling of self worth.

- Cooking/Working Out/Errands. It sounds silly, but getting a whole pile of stuff off of my to-do list, even if they're really easy, makes me really happy. Cooking is great because it's something I can do that people appreciate pretty much guaranteed, and which is a nice technical skill. Working out is great because I am both improving myself and learning new skills (for me, karate for the last 10+ years). Feeling like I'm making progress, clearing up loose ends, and doing things that are appreciated by others make me feel a higher sense of self worth.

Re: Ask HN: How to not base self worth on your own work?

#16
What exactly is wrong with deriving your sense of self worth from your work? The problems of allowing your work to effect your mood seem obvious to me(lower productivity for one). There's no point in getting down on yourself when your work doesn't meet your goals/expectations. Just get back at it, or take a break! Personally, I feel like I came here (into the world) to work, and I'm glad about it. I don't expect everyone to be this way and I support others in realizing whatever it is that brings them self-worth. But me, I came to work!

Re: Ask HN: How to not base self worth on your own work?

#17
1. "That means if my project sucks then I go into a slump, and if my project turned out to be great then I am elated."

In my estimation, the only way to break this cycle, to really exit this emotional roller-coaster that you are riding is to:

Let go of the results and focus on the quality of your effort.

For example, check yourself against this question:

"Am I giving 100% to the quality of my effort, in this moment?"

To elaborate: when you build your wall, are you focusing on the wall, or are you focusing on laying a single, individual brick, with the best quality, ability and focus that you can muster?

If you focus on the wall, then you are focusing on the end result. I recommend shifting your focus on laying each individual brick, which is a focus on effort, on process... a focus on execution.

2. "Basically I have pretty bad self esteem and I feel like I compensate for it by trying to do more and more projects."

Your self-worth should be based on your entire "package", if you will. It is complex, but it includes how you treat others, the light that you bring to the world, the light that you bring to your friendships and relationships, your helpfulness and respect toward your family, what you bring to your work... I'm fond of saying, "It's how you bring it." You want to be someone that "brings it." You want to be firing on all cylinders.

And so, this feeling of self-worth is tied to every single moment, not to results, which are ultimately ephemeral, and are only a small piece of the equation. Ultimately, results will fade, and may not always be what you expected anyway. But, if you focus on execution and process, you will be better-served to end the emotional roller-coaster of self-doubt, because you will know that you are bringing it, you will know that, "No matter what the results are, I delivered to the best of my ability. I strive to bring it in every moment, and I strive to better the process, and to serve and help those around me."

Judge yourself (and others) in this manner, and I think it will serve to change your life, to change your perspective.

Wishing you all the best.

Re: Ask HN: How to not base self worth on your own work?

#19
post #8

One of my great epiphanies as an American expat is that Americans have a tendency to be extreme. They often have one thing that they use to define themselves. They are driven to be the best at their 'one thing'. - People who go to church on Sunday feel the need to tell you about it on Monday. - The guy at work who runs marathons, is running all the time. He never comes to lunch because he is doing a practice run. - P…

At least for the running example, running marathons is extreme. A lot of people run 6-10 mile distances, precisely because it doesn't take over your life. You might be surprised at how many people you know run and don't talk about it ;) More broadly, I think you're falling into the trap of assuming the loudest/most prominent people represent the average. Just like there are a lot of people who run and also do other t…

I am fat. Does it count as "well rounded"?

sorry I just had to :)

Re: Ask HN: How to not base self worth on your own work?

#20
Imagine you could peg your mood to any index you like, that it was a free choice. Performance at work, social activities, personal relationships, physical prowess, heck the sodding FTSE 100.

If you had that free choice, what would you choose? I assume a weighted aggregate of some kind including some of the above?

The truth is you can peg it to anything you choose, and you do that by prioritising these things in your day to day life. If you spend 1 day a month doing exercise, you're implicitly weighting that lowly in your mind. If you spend 10-12 hours a day working, that's how you weight it in your "mood index".

Just my opinion of course.

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