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Ask HN: I think my startup is going to fail, what should I do?

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Re: Ask HN: I think my startup is going to fail, what should I do?

#11
Straighten out the situation with the rights, first. Establish who owns what, so that if your buddies decide it's not right for whatever reason, you still own the right to do things with it. If it's a joint contribution (eg you did the coding, but you all3 came up with the idea and your buddies each suggested things like site names and design elements), then work something out now.

Even if they are cool and 'nah, it's all your buddy' get it in writing. Don't ask them to put it in writing, say 'cool, I'll just write that up then'. (The only part you want them to actually write themselves is their signature agreeing to the terms specified by...you. This is something I wish I had realized earlier in life!).

Then launch. Or conduct a limited alpha with HN readers or whatever you need to do. Also, I do get the feeling you're letting these people (and others) hold you back a little bit. I feel where you're coming from, and I trust you have reasons for your disappointment, but you come across as a bit passive. If you're like me, you may have difficulty sounding out people's feelings, so you can't tell when someone is seriously interested or when they're just being polite to blow you off or get something for nothing. The only solution I've found for this is to be polite but assertive about asking follow-up questions. If someone vacillates and says 'well of course I do like it...maybe I could help you later' just let them know you'll keep exploring other options, eg 'Sure, I get that - I guess you won't mind if I take it across the street then, I need to move forward with this'. It's a terrible drag but that's how a lot of people are, if you hand them something on a plate they don't appreciate it and if you take it away they'll complain you didn't let them have a bite.

Re: Ask HN: I think my startup is going to fail, what should I do?

#12
Wow, this sounds remarkably similar to my situation except there is me and just one other friend and we've been doing it a couple months less than you.

I'm going to talk with my friend this weekend and get things sorted out. The worst case is that I will just launch the site as a minimalistic version and then work on a separate business idea by myself.

I think the main problem is that my friend is completely non-technical. I was relying on him to do the marketing.

As a follow up question, how do you separate duties between a technical founder and a non-technical founder in the first few months of a startup so that all people have equal amounts of work?

With my idea, I was prepared to invest more up-front time as I was solely developing the website with the expectation that my partner would get things going at the appropriate time.

I guess that is a mistake in hindsight.

This comment probably doesn't help you in any way but hopefully we can learn something for the next time.

Re: Ask HN: I think my startup is going to fail, what should I do?

#13
post #9

Ask them to sign over all rights for the company to you. Prepare to be busier then you've ever been. Launch. The worst case scenario could be that you get no users... if that happens, search out a new partner, it should be easier to find one with a prototype already built. If the other worst case scenario happens and you get a lot of users, good problem to have! Find some more help at that time. You are on the cusp o…

Thanks!

They definitely did put in a lot of work, which is why I'm surprised they're giving up now. Eg., they made a whole bunch of fabulously slick presentations for investors that must have taken dozens of hours each (none of them invested, but hey, that's startup life).

Re: Ask HN: I think my startup is going to fail, what should I do?

#14
Dude, you've been taken advantage of. You did all the hard work; while your friends may have brought the idea to the table, they're not invested the way you are. Your friends are the assholes who give "business guys" (like me) a bad name.

I can do a fabulously slick presentation in half an hour (I've charged people to make slick presentations for them (if you can't make your own docs, contact me - it's only $150 an hour :) ). You've done vastly more work than they have, trust me. You should let it go and let them fend for themselves. Hopefully, you've learned some sysadmin stuff you can apply at your next gig, but this has been a harsh learning experience.

Re: Ask HN: I think my startup is going to fail, what should I do?

#15
post #9

Ask them to sign over all rights for the company to you. Prepare to be busier then you've ever been. Launch. The worst case scenario could be that you get no users... if that happens, search out a new partner, it should be easier to find one with a prototype already built. If the other worst case scenario happens and you get a lot of users, good problem to have! Find some more help at that time. You are on the cusp o…

Thanks! They definitely did put in a lot of work, which is why I'm surprised they're giving up now. Eg., they made a whole bunch of fabulously slick presentations for investors that must have taken dozens of hours each (none of them invested, but hey, that's startup life).

Maybe it's the repeated failures to get investors that did it. They might need to be reminded that the lack of investors is not necessarily a bad sign - audiences, unlike VCs, have nothing to lose by giving you guys a chance.

Re: Ask HN: I think my startup is going to fail, what should I do?

#17
post #3

better question: after a few months of full-time equivalent work, why don't you have something you can launch? or is it not that type of company?

We could have launched it last month, but I don't think I could handle the workload myself in my spare time, and they want to keep delaying our launch until they think the site is perfect.

This is false. You could certainly handle the workload. You may handle it poorly, but you can handle it. It will not kill you. It will not maim you. Perhaps you gain 10 lbs from overeating due to stress and your WoW rating goes down (or whatever you fill your time with). But the statement above is patently false.

I say this as someone who lies to himself like this sometimes, too. Any time you hear yourself saying the words "can't" and "need" you have to stop and realize that you're probably lying to yourself. You don't _need_ that feature. You _can_ survive being stressed out for 3 months.

Re: Ask HN: I think my startup is going to fail, what should I do?

#19
post #9

Ask them to sign over all rights for the company to you. Prepare to be busier then you've ever been. Launch. The worst case scenario could be that you get no users... if that happens, search out a new partner, it should be easier to find one with a prototype already built. If the other worst case scenario happens and you get a lot of users, good problem to have! Find some more help at that time. You are on the cusp o…

Thanks! They definitely did put in a lot of work, which is why I'm surprised they're giving up now. Eg., they made a whole bunch of fabulously slick presentations for investors that must have taken dozens of hours each (none of them invested, but hey, that's startup life).

I've seen this as well but in a much later stage of running a company, a nearly done deal went south at the last possible moment and everybody got demoralized to the point where they wanted to quit. I ended up selling my house to buy everybody out, and it's been a pretty good company ever since.

Not everyone is made to be an entrepreneur you have to take your beatings and keep going, that is the only road to any kind of success unless you are a very lucky person.

I'd make a reasonable valuation of what you think the whole project is worth at this time, try to figure out fairly what their contribution is worth and then offer to buy them out if you can afford it, or, if you can't to take them on as silent partners and give them non-voting stock. The latter is a (nearly) surefire way to never get any investors on board though, you have to be aware of that.

Then, after that you go and work like the devil to make it happen.

If you can't afford it and/or you don't want to have them on board as deadwood I'd just walk away, and do something new.

About your 'black cloud' following you, this can happen simply as a series of coincidences, or it might have to do with the company you keep & pick.

That's very hard to comment on without knowing a whole lot more about the situations you were in, one thing is for sure though, if you want stuff to happen and to succeed then you'll simply have to shift over to the drivers seat, if you think you 'need others to succeed' you are not yet in the right mindset, you are seeing yourself as a victim or at the mercy of others. That needs to change for sure.

Re: Ask HN: I think my startup is going to fail, what should I do?

#20
1. Stop the car and ask them to get out.(Maybe compensate them for the journey so far.)

2. Get in the drivers seat.

3. Hit the accelerator as hard as you can.

4. If the ride is good, you might get more passengers to ride along.

5. Even if the ride is not good for sometime, you still might get the adventurous sort going in the same direction.

6. Whatever happens don't let go of the accelerator and keep moving ahead.

7. Most importantly, always remember to enjoy the journey - make stops, meet people, reflect on how far you have come. It is more important than your destination.

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