Perhaps you should make a quick mockup to show how your redesign would look.
Ask HN: Why HN is so ugly?
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Re: Ask HN: Why HN is so ugly?
#12Earlier quoted context omitted.
Thanks for your reply, I just fixed the formatting of my question, still think that patching with more newlines is uncool though. Also, mine is more a proposal than a question...
You have asked a question, and then actually presented a bunch of proposals based on your biases and non-understandings of both the aims and the audience. Many, many proposals have been made for "improving" the interface. People have presented many alternatives. None have stuck, all have been critiqued. I you did some research you would see their fate. Are you so sure you really do know better? > "I wake up every mor…
> "Then write your own style sheets and GreaseMonkey script (or equivalent) to fix your rendered"
Have you seen the HN HTML layout and CSS code?
I'm doing some research on previous posts regarding the HN interface, but judging by some answers i'm getting in this post i can imagine their fate, why plainly criticize instead of brainstorming about the proposed ideas and trying to get to a common ground? Maybe even some sketches done? (I'm working on mine as i write btw) ... according to you what are the aims and audience? I think you are implying you know the aims and audience better? can you please share? I'm part of the audience as well...
Re: Ask HN: Why HN is so ugly?
#13I use http://hckrnews.com/ to read hackernews on desktop. The app I used on my phone was not updated for IOS 7 and I have not found a good replacement. I also use https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/hackernew/lgoghlnd... to read hackernews in Chrome.
Re: Ask HN: Why HN is so ugly?
#14The most important thing you can understand is that these concerns aren't the most important thing to worry about. Content is more important. Though, if you had to pick only one feature to work on next, mobile might be it. As for the rest:
2. they are 0 pixels from the side of the page, why? Are those numbers needed anyway?
Why not? Besides the numbers telling you which page you are on, they also show how a story progresses in time.
3. With more padding and a bigger font everything should get much better to read and process
Bigger does not equal better.
4. The colors seem old-fashion
The colors make the site readable. Readability is more important than fashion.
7. it is so close and compact.
That could be intentional. It focuses attention, for example.
8. If the limit is 2000 characters why i have to hit submit to find that out?
Not displaying unnecessary things reduces cognitive load. Anything that takes 2000 characters to express is something that could be reduced in length anyway.
9. Ah, TABLE seriously?
Tables are the lists of html. The ambiguity they introduce is not always an error.
Re: Ask HN: Why HN is so ugly?
#15Earlier quoted context omitted.
You have asked a question, and then actually presented a bunch of proposals based on your biases and non-understandings of both the aims and the audience. Many, many proposals have been made for "improving" the interface. People have presented many alternatives. None have stuck, all have been critiqued. I you did some research you would see their fate. Are you so sure you really do know better? > "I wake up every mor…
> "Then write your own style sheets and GreaseMonkey script (or equivalent) to fix your rendered" Have you seen the HN HTML layout and CSS code? I'm doing some research on previous posts regarding the HN interface, but judging by some answers i'm getting in this post i can imagine their fate, why plainly criticize instead of brainstorming about the proposed ideas and trying to get to a common ground? Maybe even some…
Yes, I've written scraper code that deconstructs the existing pages and inserts the data into a database. Your point?
I've also seen this question many, many time, looked at the proposed "improvements," and read the many discussions about the whole issue. Broadly speaking, lots of people have preferred the existing version to those proposed, often by a substantial margin. Regularly people say that it looks horrible, never have a seen something I prefer.
Feel free to try. Good luck.
Re: Ask HN: Why HN is so ugly?
#16I reject the premise of the question. For the most part, I find HN far more usable than most web sites1.
My operational definition of "usable"? It is easy and effortless to scan headlines, to scan articles, and, when I find something of interest, to switch mentally from scan to read mode. And - and this is very important to me - it works well with the FF extension I use to mark all unvisited links as read, so that I don't notice them next time1.
Most other web sites are simply too busy, too loaded, trying to hard to impress to usefully support this scan, open-in-new-tab, then read mode of operation (I still do it elsewhere, but it requires more effort on all other sites than HN).
Is HN ugly? I honestly have no idea. Maybe it is, but it stays out of my way, so I don't care.
1 use hckrnews.com to find articles to read - by opening in new tabs - simply because it has more articles on one page than HN; really, that's it: If the main HN page was longer, I'd visit it once, just like I do with hckrnews.com, then alt-f2 to mark all as read - as it is, I have to scan-open-altF2-next-repeat, which is tedious. Not effortful, but not seamless, either.
Re: Ask HN: Why HN is so ugly?
#17I'm always zooming in and tilting my phone to landscape when reading HN comments. The comments section I read the most and it sucks on mobile.
Re: Ask HN: Why HN is so ugly?
#18It's ironic. We're all about disrupting and innovation except for our own sacred link sharing site. The answer you will get every time from these guys: Its good enough. Some perspective: Its 2014 and HN isn't mobile friendly #wtf
Re: Ask HN: Why HN is so ugly?
#19It's ironic. We're all about disrupting and innovation except for our own sacred link sharing site. The answer you will get every time from these guys: Its good enough. Some perspective: Its 2014 and HN isn't mobile friendly #wtf
I think there is an argument to be made that a site like this can be both minimalist and accessible, and that the dichotomy between a feature-rich HN and a HN with quality comments is possibly false, borne out of a lingering fear of a slippery slope leading to Reddit. Elitism may play a part in that - a better looking, more accessible site might by definition attract more people, and more people would dilute the quality of the discussion pool. I've seen 'features' like the awkward structure of nested comments, the broken pagination, etc. described (granted, by people who probably wouldn't actually know) as ways of keeping the riff-raff at bay.
OR maybe it's essentially a hobby site written to justify an obscure and difficult to wrangle Lisp dialect that only a couple of people ever work on, and it's literally not worth the time for at least one of them to tweak.
I think dang has mentioned they're working on adding some stuff anyway so... who knows?
Re: Ask HN: Why HN is so ugly?
#20The most important thing you can understand is that these concerns aren't the most important thing to worry about. Content is more important. Though, if you had to pick only one feature to work on next, mobile might be it. As for the rest: 2. they are 0 pixels from the side of the page, why? Are those numbers needed anyway? Why not? Besides the numbers telling you which page you are on, they also show how a story pro…
>Bigger does not equal better.
It doesn't equal bloat either. But where typography is concerned, particularly on mobile, it can definitely equal "more legible." Readability should certainly be a concern on a forum. I would argue it should be one of the top concerns.
For instance, to me, the leading between lines here is way too small. That's an easy thing to fix.
>Not displaying unnecessary things reduces cognitive load. Anything that takes 2000 characters to express is something that could be reduced in length anyway.
It would not tax anyone's mind to the breaking point to tell them what the character limit is, even assuming your latter statement tends to be correct. The ultimate expression of that philosophy is twitter anyway - longer comments are not necessarily worse, and a word limit doesn't necessarily guarantee quality.
>Tables are the lists of html. The ambiguity they introduce is not always an error
Actually, lists are already the lists of html. Tables are meant for rows and columns. Using them to show comment trees seems unnecessarily redundant because there's already an element for that.
Although, granted, that is the least important of the issues at hand.