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Re: Ask HN: What features do you want in a modern spreadsheet app?

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Wolfram Alpha and MatLab integration.

Thanks for the suggestion. Can you tell me how you would use such an integration?

At least for me, what would be really valuable is the ability to easily add data from WA to a cell. For example you could type "population of Russia" into a cell, and it would grab the integer from WA for the math. Really a low-latency, tabular form of Wolfram Alpha would be the spreadsheet of tomorrow alone.

Re: Ask HN: What features do you want in a modern spreadsheet app?

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What is a spreadsheet, really?

It's an interactive programming environment with an interface optimized for data entry and some other things. The difference between Excel and, say, Matlab or R, is excel's strength at data entry, visual/intuitive nature, and total lack of accessible higher-level programming features.

So the ideal solution in this problem space, to me, looks not much like excel at all, but more like a high-powered computation environment a-la mathematica, except with roughly the execution model and visual/accellerated/intuitive interface strength (and then some, as you suggest) of spreadsheets. For example, the whole grid thing might have to go, instead making tables first class objects in the language, and then have a strong visual representation with an accelerated (not plain text) interface for manipulating them.

But maybe you want to take it in a different direction than I do? In any case, excel can trace a pretty direct line to VisiCalc, with very little fundamental reevaluation applied since 1978 or so. So you might want to consider not being bound too closely to the "this is how spreadsheets have always been done" thing.

Re: Ask HN: What features do you want in a modern spreadsheet app?

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What I want is for people to stop using spreadsheets for anything but numbers.

There's a terrible habit just about everywhere computers are used to use Excel as a catch-all table generator for whatever grid-like data someone wants to capture (task lists, for example). It's a terrible tool for that - the cell editor is actively hostile to entering text. And frankly, I think the majority of Excel use is for exactly this sort of clunky, awkward crud, not actual spreadsheeting.

Rather than trying to build a better spreadsheet, build a better grid-oriented text capturing device with some spreadsheet functionality.

Re: Ask HN: What features do you want in a modern spreadsheet app?

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post #14

What I want is for people to stop using spreadsheets for anything but numbers. There's a terrible habit just about everywhere computers are used to use Excel as a catch-all table generator for whatever grid-like data someone wants to capture (task lists, for example). It's a terrible tool for that - the cell editor is actively hostile to entering text. And frankly, I think the majority of Excel use is for exactly thi…

You have struck the nail on the head. I have wished for this exact thing - a better grid-oriented text capturing device - so many times. By inverting the focus, you have helped me look at it in a way that might just be the thing I needed. Thank you so much.

Re: Ask HN: What features do you want in a modern spreadsheet app?

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post #14

What I want is for people to stop using spreadsheets for anything but numbers. There's a terrible habit just about everywhere computers are used to use Excel as a catch-all table generator for whatever grid-like data someone wants to capture (task lists, for example). It's a terrible tool for that - the cell editor is actively hostile to entering text. And frankly, I think the majority of Excel use is for exactly thi…

You have struck the nail on the head. I have wished for this exact thing - a better grid-oriented text capturing device - so many times. By inverting the focus, you have helped me look at it in a way that might just be the thing I needed. Thank you so much.

Drop me a line at the email in my profile... I'm really interested in how you go about this. I've thought about exactly this product, but stuck on the "If you have a hammer, every problem looks like a nail" effect, which is why businesses use horrid Excel for this duty in the first place. How do you get them to buy in? Your multi-platform approach might be the answer.

ps: Have you used any of 37signals' products? Look to them for UI simplicity. I think there's a real danger in adding too much functionality here.

Re: Ask HN: What features do you want in a modern spreadsheet app?

#18
seems like you need to define who you are tagerting first. If you want to replace excel it's bankers, consultants etc. Anything that does not integrate backward compatibility with excel and vba macros has 0 chance in the marketplace - too many complex models built on this s* by banks
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