Ask HN: Why are Claude models so verbose?

I've been messing around with output styles for a bit to try and reduce the madness that is opus 5's extremely disorganized and verbose output. I haven't had a lot of success, but they did just release their own concise style so I'm trying that out now. I'm hoping they figured this out because it's really degrading the experience and usability.

I've had to put hard rules into Claude - and I still have to reinforce them - not just CLAUDE.md (make sure not over 40k characters) but hooks that force a read of .md files on startup, etc. Some sessions still bend the rules along the way, but hooks help bring them back into line automatically. I don't worry too much about verbosity - so I haven't tried to curb that. I just ask "give me the short version" when needed. I let the comments happen for future session passes.

As for "things solved by X" - part of my rules includes a list of "check X first" before planning or implementation - do not reinvent what is already solved". Seems to help.