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Ask HN: What Makes AI a Bubble?

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Re: Ask HN: What Makes AI a Bubble?

#11

It’s important to keep in mind that railroads, airplanes, and the internet also caused bubbles. Just because of an invention is useful and world changing doesn’t mean it won’t cause a bubble.

Conversely, just because an invention causes a bubble doesn't mean it is useful and world changing.

What are some examples of this?

Re: Ask HN: What Makes AI a Bubble?

#12

It’s important to keep in mind that railroads, airplanes, and the internet also caused bubbles. Just because of an invention is useful and world changing doesn’t mean it won’t cause a bubble.

Exactly that. There was a very nice talk by Warren Buffett explaining that to business leaders at the height of the dot-com bubble - if I remember correctly it's full text is the introduction to his biography 'The Snowball: Warren Buffett and the Business of Life'.

Airlines are a great example - they are everywhere, nobody can imagine life without them, and yet they are yet to make any money ! Maybe they will figure it out before oil runs out on planet Earth.

As for Buffett speach - ther is a specific quote about airlines in it: "If a capitalist had been present at Kitty Hawk back in the early 1900s he should’ve shot Orville Wright"

Re: Ask HN: What Makes AI a Bubble?

#13
Since it's not actual A.I., I'm reminded of nuclear fusion, which has long been only 25 years away. It's not an actual invention yet.

Yet, thanks to our times, at least one major company appears to be thought-bubbling. It appears to hope (if it's not just window-dressing) that fusion will suddenly appear in the next 2 years ... to avoid driving regional electric rates sky high.

Re: Ask HN: What Makes AI a Bubble?

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It is widely agreed users are not paying enough to cover the costs of inference. This is what "subscription" plans are. So, many users are losing the companies money. This is not discussed publicly and is covered up for by raises, because there is growth and the hope that at some point the economics could work out. Which remains to be seen. It's a variant on a Ponzi scheme. Investor hope is that at some point someone…

What percentage of Anthropic’s and OpenAI’s revenue is subscriptions?

Re: Ask HN: What Makes AI a Bubble?

#16

It’s important to keep in mind that railroads, airplanes, and the internet also caused bubbles. Just because of an invention is useful and world changing doesn’t mean it won’t cause a bubble.

Exactly that. There was a very nice talk by Warren Buffett explaining that to business leaders at the height of the dot-com bubble - if I remember correctly it's full text is the introduction to his biography 'The Snowball: Warren Buffett and the Business of Life'. Airlines are a great example - they are everywhere, nobody can imagine life without them, and yet they are yet to make any money ! Maybe they will figure…

They make no money because competition has essentially turned them into commodities. There is no differentiation thus no producer or consumer surplus.

Re: Ask HN: What Makes AI a Bubble?

#17
what makes AI a bubble is the return over investment. By Scam Altman's spreadsheet, openai should be spending some $100B/year with computing from partners that are building the datacenters for that. They should also be buying 40% of all available RAM. Those things are not happening.

Re: Ask HN: What Makes AI a Bubble?

#20
It's not about the companies having high revenue, but rather investors being really interested in AI because it's the new flashy object everyone must have nowadays. Yes, I think it will still be a thing a few years from now and later, even. But, at the moment, the AI trend is staying afloat due to how much people are investing on it. Except that companies are just losing ridiculous amounts of money due to compute costs. Which is why OpenAI had to close Sora AI and cancel their contract with Disney to allow Sora AI generated media in Disney+.
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