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Re: Ask HN: Looking for programmers who don't use and don't want to use AI

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pixel_popping wrote: post #9
chromoblob wrote: post #7

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language extrapolation is extrapolation applied to language. example: you try to come up with the name for the most promising next tool (as in, a concept), as you personally judge how it should be named best. (IF YOU KNOW HOW TO TALK, you should have no problems with this.) you ask AI to explain that term. if AI misses significantly, you make your term more precise. pro tip. inspired by my learning style. example can…

exactly this, doing programming as a Hobby is very different than from a money-making perspective, both aren't incompatible. After all, people do many things that are literally "useless" for fun (and most know already there is a better way to do practically anything they are doing, same as cooking), there is no reason it doesn't apply to programming, however, not using AI nowadays for anything business-related is cou…

why do you think that it is counterintuitive?

Re: Ask HN: Looking for programmers who don't use and don't want to use AI

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Post by conartist6 »

Someone called for me!? It's deeply unfashionable to believe in human potential, but, well, I do. I am one of the last working (human) hackers. See: https://paulgraham.com/hp.html.

My reasoning in not using AI (at all) is many-fold. First, I am a powerful learning model, the most powerful one I have access to. This model is so powerful that to reach its true potential I must continually feed it huge amounts of learning experiences and training data. I must seek out other unique perspectives and try to understand them. There is virtually no end to the amount of data this model in me can process and integrate using tools like "philosophy" and "logic".

Second, it seems to me that models have shown us that the human limitation is not our ability to think, but how fast we can type. The model-first people think that means that we must find a way to offload all our ideas to agents, since agents are on the other side of the low-bandwidth interface that is the keyboard. I just think we need to arm the human with more expressive tools: an instrument, not an assistant.

Third, most people have stopped believing in the potential of great software. They seem to think that the tools we have now are the best that can ever be made, so by their reasoning there wouldn't be much point to getting good at building new things when instead you could learn to copy what already exists.

If you're interested in the tools we're making to mint a whole new generation of (human) hackers, I would urge you to come check out the BABLR Discord! It's where we work on our tools, talk philosophy, and boot anyone who tries to sell us their AI shit. https://discord.gg/NfMNyYN6cX

Every line of this code in the BABLR ecosystem was written by human hands too: https://github.com/orgs/bablr-lang/. In five years of full-time OSS work I've built a streaming regex engine, the world's most powerful streaming parser, a language-agnostic AST/CST format, and a data serialization language that will eventually replace both XML and HTML: https://docs.bablr.org/guides/cstml

Re: Ask HN: Looking for programmers who don't use and don't want to use AI

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Post by chromoblob »

conartist6 wrote: post #12

Someone called for me!? It's deeply unfashionable to believe in human potential, but, well, I do. I am one of the last working (human) hackers. See: https://paulgraham.com/hp.html . My reasoning in not using AI (at all) is many-fold. First, I am a powerful learning model, the most powerful one I have access to. This model is so powerful that to reach its true potential I must continually feed it huge amounts of learn…

are you against technologically modifying your body in order to become more productive? if no, then why not do that?

Re: Ask HN: Looking for programmers who don't use and don't want to use AI

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Post by conartist6 »

chromoblob wrote: post #13
conartist6 wrote: post #12

Someone called for me!? It's deeply unfashionable to believe in human potential, but, well, I do. I am one of the last working (human) hackers. See: https://paulgraham.com/hp.html . My reasoning in not using AI (at all) is many-fold. First, I am a powerful learning model, the most powerful one I have access to. This model is so powerful that to reach its true potential I must continually feed it huge amounts of learn…

are you against technologically modifying your body in order to become more productive? if no, then why not do that?

Well I put a ski straight through my ulnar nerve once and a surgeon had to splice nerve lining from my wrist into my elbow.

I'm also currently wearing technological augmentations on my wrists. I call them "the gloves of coding" and they help me not succumb to carpel tunnel.

And yeah, I spend all my time building developer tools, which are a technological means of augmenting your brain. I just happen to focus on technology that is deterministic.

Re: Ask HN: Looking for programmers who don't use and don't want to use AI

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Post by chromoblob »

conartist6 wrote: post #14
chromoblob wrote: post #13

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are you against technologically modifying your body in order to become more productive? if no, then why not do that?

Well I put a ski straight through my ulnar nerve once and a surgeon had to splice nerve lining from my wrist into my elbow. I'm also currently wearing technological augmentations on my wrists. I call them "the gloves of coding" and they help me not succumb to carpel tunnel. And yeah, I spend all my time building developer tools, which are a technological means of augmenting your brain. I just happen to focus on techn…

what about directly connecting two "powerful" human learning models directly? can you do this without disrupting your determinacy dynamics?

Re: Ask HN: Looking for programmers who don't use and don't want to use AI

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Post by conartist6 »

chromoblob wrote: post #15
conartist6 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well I put a ski straight through my ulnar nerve once and a surgeon had to splice nerve lining from my wrist into my elbow. I'm also currently wearing technological augmentations on my wrists. I call them "the gloves of coding" and they help me not succumb to carpel tunnel. And yeah, I spend all my time building developer tools, which are a technological means of augmenting your brain. I just happen to focus on techn…

what about directly connecting two "powerful" human learning models directly? can you do this without disrupting your determinacy dynamics?

Wouldn't that just be two humans having a conversation like we are now? Or beyond a conversation humans build relationships -- I do that too, and those relationships influence and guide me. I cherish them.

Re: Ask HN: Looking for programmers who don't use and don't want to use AI

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Post by chromoblob »

conartist6 wrote: post #16
chromoblob wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

what about directly connecting two "powerful" human learning models directly? can you do this without disrupting your determinacy dynamics?

Wouldn't that just be two humans having a conversation like we are now? Or beyond a conversation humans build relationships -- I do that too, and those relationships influence and guide me. I cherish them.

can your developer tools exponentially increase the subjective/internal bandwidth between the participants of a conversation? if yes, how?

Re: Ask HN: Looking for programmers who don't use and don't want to use AI

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Post by chromoblob »

conartist6 wrote: post #16
chromoblob wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

what about directly connecting two "powerful" human learning models directly? can you do this without disrupting your determinacy dynamics?

Wouldn't that just be two humans having a conversation like we are now? Or beyond a conversation humans build relationships -- I do that too, and those relationships influence and guide me. I cherish them.

are your developer tools capable of implementing telepathy? enable the exact recording of sleep dreams?

Re: Ask HN: Looking for programmers who don't use and don't want to use AI

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Post by MaxMussio »

Eliah_Lakhin wrote: post #6
chromoblob wrote: post #3

what's wrong with using AI as a language-extrapolation tool specifically, for people who absolutely forego AI in personal projects? is it that "language is God-like" and therefore cannot be extrapolated artificially?

I'm not quite understand what "language-extrapolation" actually means. Personally, I don't use AI because I like to program myself. There are many other reasons, but this simple one dominates.

Programming with the use of AI can still be seen as programming but at a different level of abstraction.

Depending on your "job to be done", you will prefer one level of abstraction or another.

Example from before AI: I've always hated javascript frameworks like nest.js because they were doing too much magic under the hood. But for a simple CRUD application in MVP, I'd might use it.

Re: Ask HN: Looking for programmers who don't use and don't want to use AI

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Post by conartist6 »

chromoblob wrote: post #17
conartist6 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wouldn't that just be two humans having a conversation like we are now? Or beyond a conversation humans build relationships -- I do that too, and those relationships influence and guide me. I cherish them.

can your developer tools exponentially increase the subjective/internal bandwidth between the participants of a conversation? if yes, how?

by climbing the ladder of abstraction
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