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Re: Ask HN: The Next Big OS Leap

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Post by LargoLasskhyfv »

Nope, because we already could have had that with VR/AR glasses, and while there are some (even impressive) options now, they aren't mainstream. Neither are the 'apps', nor the content interoperable, exchangable.

Furthermore I see nothing wrong with the desktop metaphor, it's just that we mostly only had a miserable magnifying glass, giving only a small viewport into a crammed childs toy, instead of real large high-resolution screens as can be had now, or sensible virtual desktops for more common sizes. To be expanded by "Metisse", an early 2.5D extension for FVWM, and later "User Interface Faćades". Maybe with some Zoomable UI sprinkled on top, like in https://eaglemode.sourceforge.net/ or whatever the clandestine weirdos from https://arcan-fe.com/ may come up with. (IF. EVER.)

Re: Ask HN: The Next Big OS Leap

#12

Post by LargoLasskhyfv »

rafaelmdec wrote: post #8
speakingmoistly wrote: post #2

Does anyone actually ask for this? What problem is it solving other than following the hype? One of the main things I've gotten out of the whole OpenClaw/Moltbot/Clawdbot situation is that the general public has a dangerously low grasp on information security. There's usefulness to that type of assistant, but I have yet to see a compelling, general consumer take on it.

I think that, for the first time in tech history, we have the tools to step away from ineffective app installs and menu cluttering and memorization and that is a rather big thing. If you don't agree, take a step back and tell me how many people prefer navigating a terminal window using a keyboard instead of a graphic interface using a mouse. The future belongs to a more frictionless, no keyboard, voice activated UI,…

Many professionals, not even necessarily in IT prefer the "green screen", because it enables them to do things faster with a few key-strokes, instead of having to click around in laggy menues.

I guess, maybe because you don't know it any better(systems and device form factors), you're trying to correct an already dumbed down(for mass acceptance) interface paradigm, with one which is even more indirect and imprecise.

Re: Ask HN: The Next Big OS Leap

#13

Post by mikewarot »

The next big OS leap is a capabilities based security with a microkernel. The old model of assuming you wanted to share your authority with everything you run is unsustainable. It should have been a thing at least 20 years ago.

>>Please elaborate. How does this resonate with the average user who doesn't know anything about infosec?

Elaboration, with too much pop culture... ;-)

When you use cash, for example, you're using capabilities. You can hand out exactly $3.50 to the Loch Ness Monster[1], and no matter what, he's not going to be able to leverage that into taking out your entire bank balance, etc.

The current "ambient authority" system is like handing the Loch Ness Monster your wallet, and HOPING he only takes $3.50.

Another metaphor is power outlets, which limit how much of the power from the grid makes it to your device. The current system is much like the electric - i - cal, at the Douglass house in Green Acres.[2]

The point is, you can run any program you want, and give it only the files you want, and nothing else, by default in such a system. For the user, it really doesn't have to seem that different, they already use dialog boxes to select files to open and save things, they could use a "power box"[3] instead, which looks the same, except then the OS enforces their choices.

[1] https://www.quora.com/Why-does-the-Loch-Ness-monster-want-3-...

[2] https://youtu.be/EnGyq2JYrHk?si=c2iTB9BYxB0VwZ9u&t=184

[3] https://wiki.c2.com/?PowerBox

Re: Ask HN: The Next Big OS Leap

#14

Post by rafaelmdec »

LargoLasskhyfv wrote: post #12
rafaelmdec wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that, for the first time in tech history, we have the tools to step away from ineffective app installs and menu cluttering and memorization and that is a rather big thing. If you don't agree, take a step back and tell me how many people prefer navigating a terminal window using a keyboard instead of a graphic interface using a mouse. The future belongs to a more frictionless, no keyboard, voice activated UI,…

Many professionals, not even necessarily in IT prefer the "green screen", because it enables them to do things faster with a few key-strokes, instead of having to click around in laggy menues. I guess, maybe because you don't know it any better(systems and device form factors), you're trying to correct an already dumbed down(for mass acceptance) interface paradigm, with one which is even more indirect and imprecise.

Yup. Many like tens of thousands out of billions. Makes sense.

Re: Ask HN: The Next Big OS Leap

#15

Post by rafaelmdec »

mikewarot wrote: post #13

The next big OS leap is a capabilities based security with a microkernel. The old model of assuming you wanted to share your authority with everything you run is unsustainable. It should have been a thing at least 20 years ago. >>Please elaborate. How does this resonate with the average user who doesn't know anything about infosec? Elaboration, with too much pop culture... ;-) When you use cash, for example, you're u…

Please elaborate. How does this resonate with the average user who doesn't know anything about infosec.

Re: Ask HN: The Next Big OS Leap

#16

Post by LargoLasskhyfv »

rafaelmdec wrote: post #14
LargoLasskhyfv wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many professionals, not even necessarily in IT prefer the "green screen", because it enables them to do things faster with a few key-strokes, instead of having to click around in laggy menues. I guess, maybe because you don't know it any better(systems and device form factors), you're trying to correct an already dumbed down(for mass acceptance) interface paradigm, with one which is even more indirect and imprecise.

Yup. Many like tens of thousands out of billions. Makes sense.

Trillions of flies eat shit. Makes sense?

Re: Ask HN: The Next Big OS Leap

#17

Post by rafaelmdec »

LargoLasskhyfv wrote: post #11

Nope, because we already could have had that with VR/AR glasses, and while there are some (even impressive) options now, they aren't mainstream. Neither are the 'apps', nor the content interoperable, exchangable. Furthermore I see nothing wrong with the desktop metaphor, it's just that we mostly only had a miserable magnifying glass, giving only a small viewport into a crammed childs toy, instead of real large high-r…

Who said people want to wear goggles? I mean, seriously, what on earth is Apple Vision Pro??

Voice is natural, it is fluid, it conveys emotion, intent.

You cannot seriously be comparing metaverse immersion BS with voice commanded devices.

Re: Ask HN: The Next Big OS Leap

#19

Post by rafaelmdec »

LargoLasskhyfv wrote: post #16
rafaelmdec wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yup. Many like tens of thousands out of billions. Makes sense.

Trillions of flies eat shit. Makes sense?

You cannot be seriously thinking that the future lies in memorizing commands and typing words one stroke at a time on a keyboard.

We are already seeing traditional coding evaporate overnight, let alone have people memorize commands and type it like we were in the 19th century.

Re: Ask HN: The Next Big OS Leap

#20

Post by LargoLasskhyfv »

rafaelmdec wrote: post #17
LargoLasskhyfv wrote: post #11

Nope, because we already could have had that with VR/AR glasses, and while there are some (even impressive) options now, they aren't mainstream. Neither are the 'apps', nor the content interoperable, exchangable. Furthermore I see nothing wrong with the desktop metaphor, it's just that we mostly only had a miserable magnifying glass, giving only a small viewport into a crammed childs toy, instead of real large high-r…

Who said people want to wear goggles? I mean, seriously, what on earth is Apple Vision Pro?? Voice is natural, it is fluid, it conveys emotion, intent. You cannot seriously be comparing metaverse immersion BS with voice commanded devices.

There are other 'glasses' systems in industrial use, giving engineers/technicians plans overlaid into their augmented reality. Usually voice activated. So that exists. Less cumbersome than that Apple or Metaverse stuff. Because industrial users won't have any of that. (mostly)
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