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Re: Ask HN: How do you realistically prepare for retirement while working in tech?

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Post by WheelsAtLarge »

raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #8
WheelsAtLarge wrote: post #7

The best thing to do is to be prepare to switch your career at some point. The tech industry is notoriously ageist so don't expect to retire working in the same type of job you have now.

I am 51. I got my first job in BigTech at 46. When I got Amazoned in 2023, within the first two weeks I had three offers. I was out looking again in 2024, I responded to a recruiter and had a job offer within two weeks. I am still an IC and half my job as a staff consultant is pushing out code onto AWS, the other half is leading projects, supporting sales, talking to customers.

You are the exception not the rule. Go to any tech shop and you the will see that the majority are in their 20's and 30's and mid 40's. Sure there are a few that are older but they are the minority by far.

There's a survivor bias, you see the older techs that are employed and people think "oh, there's no problem." But people don't take into account all the other techs that could not continue their career because they could not get a job as they got older.

Re: Ask HN: How do you realistically prepare for retirement while working in tech?

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Post by tim-tday »

Spend less than you make. It wouldn’t hurt to say that three times.

Don’t get caught up trying to keep up with the joneses. Nobody who matters gives a shit what kind of car you drive.

If your company matches your 401k contribution, max that out. It’s free money. You’re leaving it on the table if you don’t take it.

Even if there’s no match, max your contribution. If you’re putting in 18k/yr into index funds you’ll look up one day and have a million bucks.

Save up a down payment and buy a house. Property ownership is the path to generational wealth.

Re: Ask HN: How do you realistically prepare for retirement while working in tech?

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Post by ryan_lane »

WheelsAtLarge wrote: post #11
raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am 51. I got my first job in BigTech at 46. When I got Amazoned in 2023, within the first two weeks I had three offers. I was out looking again in 2024, I responded to a recruiter and had a job offer within two weeks. I am still an IC and half my job as a staff consultant is pushing out code onto AWS, the other half is leading projects, supporting sales, talking to customers.

You are the exception not the rule. Go to any tech shop and you the will see that the majority are in their 20's and 30's and mid 40's. Sure there are a few that are older but they are the minority by far. There's a survivor bias, you see the older techs that are employed and people think "oh, there's no problem." But people don't take into account all the other techs that could not continue their career because they…

There's also a large number of folks moving to management as they age. Yes, the tech industry tends to skew young for engineering, but management doesn't. There's also a relatively decent chunk of people retiring in their early 50s (I plan to). There's also a decent number of them leaving to create their own companies, or to join friends at their early stage startups.

I don't think it makes sense to say they're the exception. I'm also mid-40s and have no issues finding employment. Most of my friends are mid 40s/50s and also have no issues. The vast majority of them have switched into management, though. Myself and the other older engineers I know are staff+, though, which helps a lot. I can't imagine being this age as a senior engineer trying to fight an army of equally qualified people in their 20s (who are also having issues finding employment right now).

Re: Ask HN: How do you realistically prepare for retirement while working in tech?

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Post by raw_anon_1111 »

WheelsAtLarge wrote: post #11
raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am 51. I got my first job in BigTech at 46. When I got Amazoned in 2023, within the first two weeks I had three offers. I was out looking again in 2024, I responded to a recruiter and had a job offer within two weeks. I am still an IC and half my job as a staff consultant is pushing out code onto AWS, the other half is leading projects, supporting sales, talking to customers.

You are the exception not the rule. Go to any tech shop and you the will see that the majority are in their 20's and 30's and mid 40's. Sure there are a few that are older but they are the minority by far. There's a survivor bias, you see the older techs that are employed and people think "oh, there's no problem." But people don't take into account all the other techs that could not continue their career because they…

Most of the 3 million developers are not working at “tech shops”, they are working at banks, the government - ie “the enterprise”.

I see these folks all of the time at client companies.

On the other hand, if you are 50 years old and haven’t kept up with tech - yeah you’re going to struggle

Re: Ask HN: How do you realistically prepare for retirement while working in tech?

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Post by raw_anon_1111 »

ryan_lane wrote: post #13
WheelsAtLarge wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are the exception not the rule. Go to any tech shop and you the will see that the majority are in their 20's and 30's and mid 40's. Sure there are a few that are older but they are the minority by far. There's a survivor bias, you see the older techs that are employed and people think "oh, there's no problem." But people don't take into account all the other techs that could not continue their career because they…

There's also a large number of folks moving to management as they age. Yes, the tech industry tends to skew young for engineering, but management doesn't. There's also a relatively decent chunk of people retiring in their early 50s (I plan to). There's also a decent number of them leaving to create their own companies, or to join friends at their early stage startups. I don't think it makes sense to say they're the e…

The HN bubble is real. Most developers are boring old enterprise developers who toil away at writing LOB apps spending their entire career in corp dev if they don’t move onto management.

They live in second tier cities and retire at the same time everyone else retires.

If you are 40 years old and still competing with 20 something’s based on your ability to reverse a b tree on the whiteboard, you have made some poor life choices.

Re: Ask HN: How do you realistically prepare for retirement while working in tech?

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Post by raw_anon_1111 »

rramadass wrote: post #10
ksherlock wrote: post #5

Your savings rate is a lifestyle choice. eg, let's simplify and assume spherical cows, no inflation and no ROI. If you save 50% of your income, 1 year of work is 1 year of retirement. If you save 25% of your income, 3 years of work is 1 year of retirement. So you should probably read bogleheads, live below your means, and max out your 401k/403b/roth ira/etc with low-cost index funds. or just yolo it on stonks and hop…

This is the correct base from which all plans for "retirement" should start from. 1) Eliminate/Simplify/Lower all your "wants". You will be surprised as to how much you can save. 2) Focus only on your "needs" for existence i.e. what you actually need to live when you are 70. 3) Modify your lifestyle immediately; specifically Diet and Health in the light of the above two goals viz. proper work/life balance, proper die…

I don’t suggest people put off everything until they are old. Enjoy life today. Take the vacation, enjoy the concert, etc. It’s about balance. Of course you should save/invest.

I am not saying buy the expensive house, cars etc.

Re: Ask HN: How do you realistically prepare for retirement while working in tech?

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Post by rramadass »

raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #16
rramadass wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the correct base from which all plans for "retirement" should start from. 1) Eliminate/Simplify/Lower all your "wants". You will be surprised as to how much you can save. 2) Focus only on your "needs" for existence i.e. what you actually need to live when you are 70. 3) Modify your lifestyle immediately; specifically Diet and Health in the light of the above two goals viz. proper work/life balance, proper die…

I don’t suggest people put off everything until they are old. Enjoy life today. Take the vacation, enjoy the concert, etc. It’s about balance. Of course you should save/invest. I am not saying buy the expensive house, cars etc.

Not what i meant.

The idea is to make sure that you can guarantee (barring unforeseens) the absolute minimum that you need to live before anything else. Once this is done everything else becomes a choice and you can indulge (or not) as you please.

Life is all about Risk Management and given the uncertain world we live in, you need to ensure that you are not totally dependent on the future performance of the Economic System. "Enjoy Life Today/YOLO" etc. should not become an excuse to not think realistically and plan for your own/family's future with definite guarantees.

Nassim Taleb's ideas about Mediocristan vs. Extremistan, Power Laws/Pareto Distribution, Barbell investment strategy, Black Swan events etc. are all relevant here.

Savings/Investments etc. ideas from Financial Independence, Retire Early (FIRE) movement are also very relevant here - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIRE_movement

The Objective is to avoid total ruin when things go wrong, but have the resiliency to bear the loss and bounce back or be anti-fragile enough to get better.

Re: Ask HN: How do you realistically prepare for retirement while working in tech?

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Post by raw_anon_1111 »

rramadass wrote: post #17
raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t suggest people put off everything until they are old. Enjoy life today. Take the vacation, enjoy the concert, etc. It’s about balance. Of course you should save/invest. I am not saying buy the expensive house, cars etc.

Not what i meant. The idea is to make sure that you can guarantee (barring unforeseens) the absolute minimum that you need to live before anything else. Once this is done everything else becomes a choice and you can indulge (or not) as you please. Life is all about Risk Management and given the uncertain world we live in, you need to ensure that you are not totally dependent on the future performance of the Economic…

If the economic system today collapses, no realistic amount money will save you.

Re: Ask HN: How do you realistically prepare for retirement while working in tech?

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Post by rramadass »

raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #18
rramadass wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not what i meant. The idea is to make sure that you can guarantee (barring unforeseens) the absolute minimum that you need to live before anything else. Once this is done everything else becomes a choice and you can indulge (or not) as you please. Life is all about Risk Management and given the uncertain world we live in, you need to ensure that you are not totally dependent on the future performance of the Economic…

If the economic system today collapses, no realistic amount money will save you.

I don't mean "collapse" but a gradual/abrupt slide downward towards another equilibrium than that expected from earlier projections.

A good current example is what is happening to the economies of many countries due to Trump's tariffs.

Re: Ask HN: How do you realistically prepare for retirement while working in tech?

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Post by raw_anon_1111 »

rramadass wrote: post #19
raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the economic system today collapses, no realistic amount money will save you.

I don't mean "collapse" but a gradual/abrupt slide downward towards another equilibrium than that expected from earlier projections. A good current example is what is happening to the economies of many countries due to Trump's tariffs.

I re read your initial reply more carefully and we are doing just that.

Because of a combination of poor life choices between 2000-2008 and purposeful decisions between 2012-2020 early retirement or even retirement before my wife and I are eligible for Medicare is mostly out of the question unless we move out of the US - we are seriously exploring this possibility and we will be in one of those countries for six weeks starting in late February.

That being said, knowing those are my constraints. I have made some purposeful decisions.

First I pivoted to cloud consulting working full time for consulting departments /companies where there are plenty of remote opportunities, experience and age is an asset and not a liability, and the pay is better than enterprise dev. They also can’t outsource customer facing consultants who have to fly to customer’s sites.

Second, I “retired my wife” in 2020 so she could pursue her hobbies and we could travel extensively while we are healthy and it can be funded by income.

That has the knock on effect that we don’t need as much money for retirement because we would have already gotten our expensive travel out of the way by then.

Third, we aggressively reduced expenses when my youngest step son graduated in 2020 - we sold our big house in the burbs and bought a condo 1/3 the size in central Florida close to Disney. Florida is a state tax free state.

Now between making decent money and low expenses, we can live comfortably day to day, do the digital nomad thing off an on (and rent our home out as vacation rental while we are gone).

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