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Ask HN: Would you trust an AI that sees and hears everything you do?

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Re: Ask HN: Would you trust an AI that sees and hears everything you do?

#11

Post by aurintex »

conartist6 wrote: post #7

Trust it with what? Trust it to do what? There's one thing AI can't do, and that's actually care about anyone or anything. It's the rough equivalent a psychopath. It would push you to a psychotic break with reality with its sycophancy just a happily as it would, say, murder you if given motive means and opportunity.

I imagine it helping me remember things or stick to my habits. For example, if I want to lose weight and have a weak moment, it could remind me—like when I order a burger.

It could also help me use my time better. If it knows what I’ve been doing lately, it might give me useful tips.

So overall, more like a coach or assistant for everyday life.

Re: Ask HN: Would you trust an AI that sees and hears everything you do?

#12

Post by aurintex »

HardwareLust wrote: post #9
aurintex wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you give more specific reasons?

Because I don't want my life to be training data for some stupid LLM so that you can try to become to the next tech oligarch.

Would it make a difference if the data were only stored locally on your device?

Re: Ask HN: Would you trust an AI that sees and hears everything you do?

#13

Post by conartist6 »

aurintex wrote: post #11
conartist6 wrote: post #7

Trust it with what? Trust it to do what? There's one thing AI can't do, and that's actually care about anyone or anything. It's the rough equivalent a psychopath. It would push you to a psychotic break with reality with its sycophancy just a happily as it would, say, murder you if given motive means and opportunity.

I imagine it helping me remember things or stick to my habits. For example, if I want to lose weight and have a weak moment, it could remind me—like when I order a burger. It could also help me use my time better. If it knows what I’ve been doing lately, it might give me useful tips. So overall, more like a coach or assistant for everyday life.

Right so now you're giving it your brain and body to run and giving it the kind of trust and faith you had previously reserved for humans and it's already managed to sever many of the ties to reality that were your layers of protection against having a psychotic break. It is not, emphatically not a person and if you allow yourself to start to treat it like one and build a relationship with it then you already have one foot over the edge of the precipice

Re: Ask HN: Would you trust an AI that sees and hears everything you do?

#16

Post by HardwareLust »

aurintex wrote: post #12
HardwareLust wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because I don't want my life to be training data for some stupid LLM so that you can try to become to the next tech oligarch.

Would it make a difference if the data were only stored locally on your device?

It might, depending on how you intend to anonymize the data, and whether you intend to market that data to other companies.

Re: Ask HN: Would you trust an AI that sees and hears everything you do?

#17

Post by aurintex »

conartist6 wrote: post #13
aurintex wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I imagine it helping me remember things or stick to my habits. For example, if I want to lose weight and have a weak moment, it could remind me—like when I order a burger. It could also help me use my time better. If it knows what I’ve been doing lately, it might give me useful tips. So overall, more like a coach or assistant for everyday life.

Right so now you're giving it your brain and body to run and giving it the kind of trust and faith you had previously reserved for humans and it's already managed to sever many of the ties to reality that were your layers of protection against having a psychotic break. It is not, emphatically not a person and if you allow yourself to start to treat it like one and build a relationship with it then you already have on…

Then, we are in Matrix ;) But I think this is already one step ahead of my idea ;)

But I think I know, what you mean - the human aspect should not be lost in the process. Do you see a chance for the future, what can unite the two aspects, i.e., supportive AI without losing the human touch? How could this be ensured?

Re: Ask HN: Would you trust an AI that sees and hears everything you do?

#18

Post by conartist6 »

aurintex wrote: post #17
conartist6 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right so now you're giving it your brain and body to run and giving it the kind of trust and faith you had previously reserved for humans and it's already managed to sever many of the ties to reality that were your layers of protection against having a psychotic break. It is not, emphatically not a person and if you allow yourself to start to treat it like one and build a relationship with it then you already have on…

Then, we are in Matrix ;) But I think this is already one step ahead of my idea ;) But I think I know, what you mean - the human aspect should not be lost in the process. Do you see a chance for the future, what can unite the two aspects, i.e., supportive AI without losing the human touch? How could this be ensured?

It is the universal experience of life and death that is the source of the human touch, as well as well as the incredible ability for empathic bonds to be formed even between animals of different species.

You want the human touch, make unique individual entities which experience life and death. Brb gotta go play with my cat.

Re: Ask HN: Would you trust an AI that sees and hears everything you do?

#19

Post by aurintex »

JohnFen wrote: post #14

I don't know about humanity, but I wouldn't use such a thing. I think it's unconscionable to impose such surveillance on unconsenting others. I would actively avoid being near anyone who did, to the best of my ability, as well.

That makes me wonder --> how do you currently deal with your smartphone, which often has wakeword detection enabled (like “Hey Google”)? Or when you're visiting friends who have an Alexa device at home. Would that already be a problem for you?

I’m genuinely curious where you draw the line. Because in practice, many of us are already surrounded by passive listening systems, even if we don’t actively use them ourselves.

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