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Re: Ask HN: Recommandation for an Ergonomic Keyboard?

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Mine died a few years ago. I replaced it with one from 'perixx' but I kind of hate it. Not enough to get something else, because I have not found a better answer. I am excited to see if someone has a solution for you.

For now, I'm highly hesitant to take a Glove80 with an extra keypad for the numbers, but I still hesitate with one of the original (Microsoft ergonomic desktop, Mobility lab ergo k30W or Logitech K860 ergo, even though most are wireless)

Re: Ask HN: Recommandation for an Ergonomic Keyboard?

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I recommend calm and caution :) You will quickly end up researching mechanical split keyboard market and start convincing yourself that 500-1000€ is not that expensive (sic!). I made an adventure into mechanicals, around half a year on research and getting used to it. Configurability is amazing. Quality great. Noise was not a problem. Ended up going back to some flat (laptop-like) dell keyboard and a vertical mouse i…

RSI is a combination of "repetitive" and "strain". My take on it is that ergonomic keyboards that limit the amount of finger movement make your typing more repetitive - hence you need to be sure as hell that there is as little strain as possible.

I also went with a minimal split keyboard and quickly started to feel pain. When I however looked at my desk/chair/screen, I found that they don't promote the correct posture. Once these were corrected, I got no pain at all.

I think the right lesson is that this is a journey, rather than a problem you can throw some money at once and have it solved.

Re: Ask HN: Recommandation for an Ergonomic Keyboard?

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I recommend calm and caution :) You will quickly end up researching mechanical split keyboard market and start convincing yourself that 500-1000€ is not that expensive (sic!). I made an adventure into mechanicals, around half a year on research and getting used to it. Configurability is amazing. Quality great. Noise was not a problem. Ended up going back to some flat (laptop-like) dell keyboard and a vertical mouse i…

RSI is a combination of "repetitive" and "strain". My take on it is that ergonomic keyboards that limit the amount of finger movement make your typing more repetitive - hence you need to be sure as hell that there is as little strain as possible. I also went with a minimal split keyboard and quickly started to feel pain. When I however looked at my desk/chair/screen, I found that they don't promote the correct postur…

You described it well.

You can spend insane money on hardware and still sit incorrectly.

Re: Ask HN: Recommandation for an Ergonomic Keyboard?

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I recommend calm and caution :) You will quickly end up researching mechanical split keyboard market and start convincing yourself that 500-1000€ is not that expensive (sic!). I made an adventure into mechanicals, around half a year on research and getting used to it. Configurability is amazing. Quality great. Noise was not a problem. Ended up going back to some flat (laptop-like) dell keyboard and a vertical mouse i…

Funny you mention that, I was comparing Moonlander ( https://www.zsa.io/moonlander ), Glove80 ( https://www.moergo.com/ ) and Cyboard ( https://cyboard.digital/ ) ... Thanks for the advice!

Moonlander ... I think I still have a printer template to check if it fits my desk layout well...

Hacking keyboard I like the most, but it's still a gamble and add-ons almost double my cost. Too much for companies that don't have any distributor locally...

Re: Ask HN: Recommandation for an Ergonomic Keyboard?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Funny you mention that, I was comparing Moonlander ( https://www.zsa.io/moonlander ), Glove80 ( https://www.moergo.com/ ) and Cyboard ( https://cyboard.digital/ ) ... Thanks for the advice!

Moonlander ... I think I still have a printer template to check if it fits my desk layout well... Hacking keyboard I like the most, but it's still a gamble and add-ons almost double my cost. Too much for companies that don't have any distributor locally...

Yeah I agree, the cost quickly rise!

Re: Ask HN: Recommandation for an Ergonomic Keyboard?

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I bought one of the keyboard from https://ergodox-ez.com/ and I hate it.

I stopped using it as I could not get used to it.

I use a wired MS split ergonomic keyboard for daily work and seem happy with it. I use a simple logitech trackball as a pointing device.

I don't have any issues with this keyboard ..

Re: Ask HN: Recommandation for an Ergonomic Keyboard?

#17
I spent many years typing on the Microsoft Sculpt Ergonomic Keyboard (which is slightly different, with laptop-style keys), but it completely eliminated my typing pain. I can now type comfortably at about 120-140 wpm for hours on end with no discomfort.

Once they discontinued it, InCase picked it back up: https://www.incase.com/collections/productivity-accessories/...

Along with maybe what looks like a replacement for your old one? https://www.incase.com/collections/productivity-accessories/...

There are also copycats (of the Sculpt). Two that I've tried and liked:

HP 960: https://www.hp.com/us-en/shop/pdp/hp-960-ergonomic-wireless-...

Matias Sculpted Ergonomic Rechargeable Keyboard: https://matias.store/products/fk413d (small Canadian company, but they make an amazingly tiny USB-C dongle compatible with many of their products)

I ended up using the HP more than the others, preferring its keyfeel over the Matias. But both are well-built.

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If you don't want the mass-market stuff, there are also many companies making more hardcore ergo keyboards (two-part splits, vertical orientations, customizable keycaps, more natural/curved arrangements, etc.). But those typically cost multiple hundreds of dollars, rather than the $100-$120 or so for the off-the-shelf kind I listed above. And they just feel a bit too extreme for my tastes...

Re: Ask HN: Recommandation for an Ergonomic Keyboard?

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Mine died a few years ago. I replaced it with one from 'perixx' but I kind of hate it. Not enough to get something else, because I have not found a better answer. I am excited to see if someone has a solution for you.

For now, I'm highly hesitant to take a Glove80 with an extra keypad for the numbers, but I still hesitate with one of the original (Microsoft ergonomic desktop, Mobility lab ergo k30W or Logitech K860 ergo, even though most are wireless)

I bought the glove in December 2024. I had a wrist issue, and using the glove solved the issue. It’s pretty uncommon for an ergonomic keyboard to be made for people with small hands (16 cm height), and the Glove80 is perfect for that.

Re: Ask HN: Recommandation for an Ergonomic Keyboard?

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You could either try to repair it (it has probably only worn out switches that can be replaced by soldering new ones) or you could build one yourself (search for "github split keyboard choc v2"). There are many projects like Corne, lily58 and others.

Beware: Deep rabbit hole with hardly any escape... I built myself a non-ergo modded Logitech G515 with mill maxed Lofree Kailh Ghost switches (I eventually change this to Hades in the future), which was a ton of work, but I'm so happy everytime I use it.

If I had to buy one I would also have gone non-ergo with Wobkey Crush 80 or EvoWorks Evo 80.

The corne v4 is pretty popular and having Jlc3dp as a 3D print service all you need is time and patience. I recommend to also look for QMK / VIA Firmware as well as ZMK. They have lists of supported hardware.

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