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Re: Ask HN: How much of OpenAI code is written by AI?

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Not OpenAI, but Anthropic CPO Mike Krieger said in response to a question of how much of Claude Code is written by Claude Code: "At this point, I would be shocked if it wasn't 95% plus. I'd have to ask Boris and the other tech leads on there." [0] https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/anthropics-cpo-heres-what...

Sure but what did the CTO say ? Also was he shocked ? There's no definitive answer, this is an evasive one.

Re: Ask HN: How much of OpenAI code is written by AI?

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> If AI is a threat to software engineering, I wouldn't expect many software engineers to actively accelerate that trend. I personally don't view it as a threat, but some people (non engineers?) obviously do. Software engineers have been automating away jobs for other people for nearly a century. It would be quite rich if the profession suddenly felt qualms about the process! (TBC I think automation is great and shou…

Software engineering has also been automating its own jobs for ages. The first thing we engineers do when asked to do a repetitive thing is find ways to automate it. I think the industry had qualms about losing their jobs. But honestly what are the examples of people losing their jobs to software ? Everybody says that this has happened many times yet examples are hard to come by.

Re: Ask HN: How much of OpenAI code is written by AI?

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Not OpenAI, but Anthropic CPO Mike Krieger said in response to a question of how much of Claude Code is written by Claude Code: "At this point, I would be shocked if it wasn't 95% plus. I'd have to ask Boris and the other tech leads on there." [0] https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/anthropics-cpo-heres-what...

TFA says "How Anthropic uses AI to write 90-95% of code for some products and the surprising new bottlenecks this creates". for some products. If it were 95% of anything useful, Anthropic would not still have >1000 employees, and the rest of the economy would be collapsing, and governments would be taking some kind of action. Yet none of that appears to be happening. Why?

I don't doubt it, especially when you have an organization that is focused on building the most effective tooling possible. I'd imagine that they use AI even when it isn't the most optimal, because they are trying to build experiences that will allow everyone else to do the same.

So let's take it on face value and say 95% is written by AI. When you free one bottleneck you expose the next. You still need developers to review it to make sure it's doing the right thing. You still need developers to be able to translate the business context into instructions that make the right product. You have to engage with the product. You need to architect the system - the context windows mean that the tasks can't just be handed off to AI.

So, The role of the programmer changes - you still need technical competence, but to serve the judgement calls of "what is right for the product?" Perhaps there's a world where developers and product management merges, but I think we will still need the people.

Re: Ask HN: How much of OpenAI code is written by AI?

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Not OpenAI, but Anthropic CPO Mike Krieger said in response to a question of how much of Claude Code is written by Claude Code: "At this point, I would be shocked if it wasn't 95% plus. I'd have to ask Boris and the other tech leads on there." [0] https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/anthropics-cpo-heres-what...

Standard CxO mentality. “I think the facts about our product might be true but I won’t say it because the shareholders and SEC will hang me when they find out it’s bullshit.” Then defer to next monkey in circus. By which time the tech press, which seems to have a serious problem with literacy and honesty (gotta get those clicks) extrapolates it for them. Then analysts summarise those things as projections. Urgh.

The other tactic is saying two unrelated things in a sentence and hoping you think it’s causal, not a fuck up and some marketing at the same time.

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> If AI is a threat to software engineering, I wouldn't expect many software engineers to actively accelerate that trend.

There are two strong forces at play. Employees generally want to put in the least amount of effort possible and go home at 5. Employers want to save money and pay for fewer employees. AI creates a strong symbiosis here and both sides are focused on a short term win.

Re: Ask HN: How much of OpenAI code is written by AI?

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> If AI is a threat to software engineering, I wouldn't expect many software engineers to actively accelerate that trend. This is a naive take. Throughout history things have been automated with the help of professions who were being automated away.

I don't disagree it's a naive take, and I would love to read about some examples where this happened. I haven't seen too many industries be automated away first hand, and I'm sure there are historic examples. I wouldn't expect the lamp lighters to have been championing the rise of electric lamps. Maybe they did though because it meant they could work less hours.

Software developers have been automating away software developers since the beginning of the field. Higher level languages, better+safer languages, improved IDEs. All the ways in which we made developing software easier and more efficient. QA teams investing in automated testing.

Re: Ask HN: How much of OpenAI code is written by AI?

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Not OpenAI, but Anthropic CPO Mike Krieger said in response to a question of how much of Claude Code is written by Claude Code: "At this point, I would be shocked if it wasn't 95% plus. I'd have to ask Boris and the other tech leads on there." [0] https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/anthropics-cpo-heres-what...

TFA says "How Anthropic uses AI to write 90-95% of code for some products and the surprising new bottlenecks this creates". for some products. If it were 95% of anything useful, Anthropic would not still have >1000 employees, and the rest of the economy would be collapsing, and governments would be taking some kind of action. Yet none of that appears to be happening. Why?

Been using claude code almost daily for over a month. It is the smartest junior developer I've ever seen; it can spew high-quality advanced code and with the same confidence, spew utter garbage or over-engineered crap; it can confidently tell you a task is done and passing tests, with glaring bugs in it; it can happily introduce security bugs if it's a shurtcut to finish something. And sometimes, will just tell you "not gonna do it, it takes too much time, so here's a todo comment". In short, it requires constant supervision and careful code review - you still need experienced developers for this.

Re: Ask HN: How much of OpenAI code is written by AI?

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Not OpenAI, but Anthropic CPO Mike Krieger said in response to a question of how much of Claude Code is written by Claude Code: "At this point, I would be shocked if it wasn't 95% plus. I'd have to ask Boris and the other tech leads on there." [0] https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/anthropics-cpo-heres-what...

TFA says "How Anthropic uses AI to write 90-95% of code for some products and the surprising new bottlenecks this creates". for some products. If it were 95% of anything useful, Anthropic would not still have >1000 employees, and the rest of the economy would be collapsing, and governments would be taking some kind of action. Yet none of that appears to be happening. Why?

> If it were 95% of anything useful, Anthropic would not still have >1000 employees

I think firing people does not come as a logical conclusion of 95% of code being written by Claude Code. There is a big difference between AI autonomously writing code and developers just finding it easier to prompt changes rather than typing them manually.

In one case, you have an automated software engineer, and may be able to reduce your headcount. In the other, developers may just be slightly more productive or even just enjoy writing code using AI more, but the coding is still very much driven by the developers themselves. I think right now Claude Code shows signs of (1) for simple cases, but mostly falls into the (2) bucket.

Re: Ask HN: How much of OpenAI code is written by AI?

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Not OpenAI, but Anthropic CPO Mike Krieger said in response to a question of how much of Claude Code is written by Claude Code: "At this point, I would be shocked if it wasn't 95% plus. I'd have to ask Boris and the other tech leads on there." [0] https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/anthropics-cpo-heres-what...

They are likely lying: https://www.anthropic.com/candidate-ai-guidance > During take-home assessments Complete these without Claude unless we indicate otherwise. We’d like to assess your unique skills and strengths. We'll be clear when AI is allowed (example: "You may use Claude for this coding challenge"). > During live interviews This is all you–no AI assistance unless we indicate otherwise. We’re curious to see ho…

That's not evidence of anything to do with their hired developers. Interview practices have never reflected on-the-job practices

Re: Ask HN: How much of OpenAI code is written by AI?

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Not OpenAI, but Anthropic CPO Mike Krieger said in response to a question of how much of Claude Code is written by Claude Code: "At this point, I would be shocked if it wasn't 95% plus. I'd have to ask Boris and the other tech leads on there." [0] https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/anthropics-cpo-heres-what...

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