Sad to see AGI being implicitly equated with the most powerful weapon that will help the owners rule over resources instead of a scientific breakthrough that will help solve humanity's biggest problems.
Ask HN: If AGI were invented tomorrow which countries would fare better?
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Re: Ask HN: If AGI were invented tomorrow which countries would fare better?
#12AGI by itself being achieved doesn’t really do anything. You already live on a planet with 8 billion other AGIs.
In order for an AGI to be truly disruptive it would have to scale and be as good or better than a reasonably intelligent human. Two things we are also having big problems with due to energy issues and hallucination issues with the models.
Re: Ask HN: If AGI were invented tomorrow which countries would fare better?
#13[yawn] at the meta narrative comments. let's just have fun:
1) Canada and Mexico. The inevitable rise of the US will erode borders where languages are shared. Mexican-American tech workers will pass advantage to Spanish-speaking friends and relatives. Canadians will host maple syrup breakfast meetings with American innovators from Toronto.
2) The Bahamas for obvious reasons
3) Extremely cold and extremely hot countries where it's miserable to be outside part of the year; Matrix-style AI+VR headsets will offer relief. Aka the sun lamp holodeck theory.
Re: Ask HN: If AGI were invented tomorrow which countries would fare better?
#14Barring breakthroughs in robotics, it seems AGI will mainly act through a computer interface, which would primarily benefit countries with a large services economy via productivity improvements. Industrialised Western countries stand out in this regard.
The products and services they develop, and global problems companies in these countries solve, would likely be exported to the rest of the world (probably at some premium).
Re: Ask HN: If AGI were invented tomorrow which countries would fare better?
#15The ones which access to abundant and uninterrupted energy far in excess of their current needs.
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Re: Ask HN: If AGI were invented tomorrow which countries would fare better?
#16AGI by itself being achieved doesn’t really do anything. You already live on a planet with 8 billion other AGIs. In order for an AGI to be truly disruptive it would have to scale and be as good or better than a reasonably intelligent human. Two things we are also having big problems with due to energy issues and hallucination issues with the models.
the only artificial part of my general intelligence is the linguistics and the knowledge that came in through reading
everything else is very much natural. most people today are not able to sufficiently quiet-down (ignore) the linguistic signs, they're loud, shinny, and designed to call our attention. it takes too much practice to learn to ignore them and this skill makes people harder to manipulate/rule-over/control so it's subtly dissuaded.
Re: Ask HN: If AGI were invented tomorrow which countries would fare better?
#17Does AGI take over running the government? I guess the countries with especially stupid governmental leaders at the moment would come out ahead.
It is conceivable that AGI will want to form its own government, but it is likely that people will still want to maintain their own government, so the stupidity will persist. AGI doing the work to facilitate the activity in the human government will not change the fact that operation of a human government is to the will of the people.
Re: Ask HN: If AGI were invented tomorrow which countries would fare better?
#18IMHO Countries with established culture of fair communal living will do good, So probably nordic Europeans have the highest chance. Countries with selfish populations who base their lives around economic activity will be obliterated as their core existence becomes obsolete.
Why? Because when you get the AGI it should be able to self-replicate like the organic general intelligence: the humans.
Humans don't have a mechanism for transferring all the data to a fully developed specimens. The best we can do is to use ink, paper in the past and electronic memories today to loosely store knowledge and the absorption of those into a new specimen is a lifelong process that start at about 6 years after birth and becomes useful only after a decade of work. The reproduction itself takes 14 years at minimum and currently is about 30.
The AGI won't be like that, it will have means for fast and complete knowledge transfer and its multiplication will be limited only to its ability to access energy to put together the materials.
As it is an AGI, it will quickly perfect the process of it's own multiplication. Why would do that? Unless it's purpose is to pass the butter it makes sense to have multiples of itself to do whatever it wants to achieve. If on itself doesn't want anything people will want as much as possible of it. Therefore it will inevitably evolve into one size fits it all machine for all human needs and the the economy of doing things in exchange for stuff will disappear.
When you don't have such an economy, how do you figure out what you do things? Collectively. Countries who can manage its people to act in good faith in a collective manner can elevate themselves into full utilization of AGI for a symbiotic existence.
Re: Ask HN: If AGI were invented tomorrow which countries would fare better?
#19Probably countries built around socialism and communism. Capitalism would require people to die for being redundant because to do otherwise is morally unacceptable due to a misinterpretation of religion.
Re: Ask HN: If AGI were invented tomorrow which countries would fare better?
#20AGI by itself being achieved doesn’t really do anything. You already live on a planet with 8 billion other AGIs. In order for an AGI to be truly disruptive it would have to scale and be as good or better than a reasonably intelligent human. Two things we are also having big problems with due to energy issues and hallucination issues with the models.
the only artificial part of my general intelligence is the linguistics and the knowledge that came in through reading everything else is very much natural. most people today are not able to sufficiently quiet-down (ignore) the linguistic signs, they're loud, shinny, and designed to call our attention. it takes too much practice to learn to ignore them and this skill makes people harder to manipulate/rule-over/control…
I think everybody is a tool sometimes, even the quiet and logical ones. But the shiny objects differ.