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Ask HN: Cloud vs. Edge Computing–Why Choose a Local NAS?

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Re: Ask HN: Cloud vs. Edge Computing–Why Choose a Local NAS?

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The biggest issue to me is one of security. You have to find a way to expose your NAS to access outside the home to make it truly as convenient as the big tech cloud services. Some vendors help do this for you (Synology with QuickConnect); otherwise you're probably thinking about always using something like Tailscale or setting up a reverse proxy on a VPS that you would have to secure, patch, and monitor.

Some home routers also offer built-in VPN using Wireguard. Works amazingly well with my Fritzbox, near zero setup on the router itself and very simple config on the end devices.

Re: Ask HN: Cloud vs. Edge Computing–Why Choose a Local NAS?

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I recommend a 19" Rack (e.g. 2x 1U) with sufficient bays - i.e. 4 or more - (1) so that you can set up a RAID array [1]; and (2) also consider building one NAS for fast access (SSDs, no RAID) and another, larger NAS for protecting against longer-term data loss (HDDs, RAID6). [No, that is not called a "backup", because backups are offsite by definition!]

Synology has perhaps the best usability (my preference, I use a RS422+ on a separate network - internal only - at home and another Synology rack version at work), and QNAP has a slight price advantage (most colleagues' preference). Synology's system software logs a warning if non-synology drives are used, but this is likely just a marketing thing; what is important is that you use "enterprise class" drives for longest lifetime (I don't save on protecting my life's data).

A 19" rack needs space, but the main problem is the generated noise (lucky if you have a room in the basement). I also have several servers, some are more power-hungry than others; one is a specific low-noise, low-energy one that is quite old, but not used as a NAS at the moment.

Many people have experimented with RasPI-based NAS, but for me that does not work as I need a solid, closed case with a more powerful CPU and professional heat management.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_RAID_levels

Re: Ask HN: Cloud vs. Edge Computing–Why Choose a Local NAS?

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post #6

The biggest issue to me is one of security. You have to find a way to expose your NAS to access outside the home to make it truly as convenient as the big tech cloud services. Some vendors help do this for you (Synology with QuickConnect); otherwise you're probably thinking about always using something like Tailscale or setting up a reverse proxy on a VPS that you would have to secure, patch, and monitor.

Cloudflare tunnels are free and give you multiple layers of protection (requiring certain auth methods, geoblocking, not needing to expose your IP, etc)

Re: Ask HN: Cloud vs. Edge Computing–Why Choose a Local NAS?

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## Cloud vs Edge:

- 100% guarantee that the data I care about will still be there.

- Costs. Scaling to a few TB is already quite expensive. Some stuff i still back to the cloud, but only the most important of data (pictures of my son)

## Use Case

- Storage

- VMs/Docker/Apps: Home Assistant, Photos app (Immich, Synology Photos, etc.), and some other small stuff like that

## Performance

Running a few VMs/Docker image requires some power, but not a lot. I like that I can choose how much.

## Storage

I had for a long time a 2-bay NAS and upgraded the drives. I just built a DYI NAS and I got a Massive ATX case which supports 11-bay. Why? Because buying a drive is cheaper than replacing drives. Having an ATX case I can still run it with 2 bays, and I still have a computer case If i change my mind.

Ideal storage is a mix of HDD (WD RED, so optimized to run 24/7), SSD and NVME. Each of them is useful for something (HDD for longer term storage, as they are cheaper per gb), SSD and NVME for apps usage and caches

## OS

I was using Synology DSM, and now I went for Unraid. I'm curious to see where HexOS goes in the next few years.

## Design

I only care about noise.

## Budget

~1000 Eur

Re: Ask HN: Cloud vs. Edge Computing–Why Choose a Local NAS?

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There is a fair bit of competition in this space already. I'd try to figure out where your edge is going to come from here.

And I don't think a survey is going to answer that. People want everything at lowest price.

I prefer building my own, but looking at your proposed features - lack of ECC mention stands out

Re: Ask HN: Cloud vs. Edge Computing–Why Choose a Local NAS?

#16
I can't fill out the survey because I do not have access, so my answers are below.

Cloud vs. Edge: Why choose a local NAS over iCloud, OneDrive, etc.? Cost, privacy, performance?

Primarily privacy and control over my data. Fun to tinker with.

Use Case: What tasks would your NAS handle? Jellyfin, Frigate, backups, AI/ML?

Just storage, I can run a separate server that has all workloads.

Performance: How key is CPU power, power efficiency, or upgradability (e.g., PCIe slots)? Your LAN speed (1, 2.5, 10, 25 Gbps)?

As power efficient as possible. >10Gbps network. I don't care about additional PCIe slots. Just a small form factor with maximum drives.

Storage: Preferred drive bay count (2, 6, 8+)? NVMe cache for reads/writes? Ideal capacity (10 TB, 50 TB+)?

I'd personally say 4-6 drive bay count. Definitely drive bays, not USB and preferably software raid (I don't like hardware raid controllers when software has gotten so good)

OS: TrueNAS, Unraid, OpenMediaVault, Linux, or no preference?

No preference, why not user choice? At least Unraid is proprietary, so that would be my last choice.

Design: Appearance matter? Displayed or hidden?

It will be in a closet for me, so just small.

Budget: Ideal price (excluding drives)?

300-400 but wouldn't mind going high if the price is justified.

Pain Points: What frustrates you about NAS or cloud solutions? Killer feature to switch?

There's no real alternative for Synology but I don't want the proprietary software. Especially now that they're restricting it to Synology drives.

Re: Ask HN: Cloud vs. Edge Computing–Why Choose a Local NAS?

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post #13
post #6

The biggest issue to me is one of security. You have to find a way to expose your NAS to access outside the home to make it truly as convenient as the big tech cloud services. Some vendors help do this for you (Synology with QuickConnect); otherwise you're probably thinking about always using something like Tailscale or setting up a reverse proxy on a VPS that you would have to secure, patch, and monitor.

Cloudflare tunnels are free and give you multiple layers of protection (requiring certain auth methods, geoblocking, not needing to expose your IP, etc)

Don't you indirectly give access to Clouflare itself with their product?

Re: Ask HN: Cloud vs. Edge Computing–Why Choose a Local NAS?

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When I built my DIY NAS, the most important factor was: I wanted it _silent_. No constantly spinning drives or fans. It sits in a sideboard in my living room, and I've been using a M1 Mac for years now that is completely silent in normal daily operation, so I've become a bit sensitive to any "computer noises" and wanted my continuously running hardware to be as quiet as possible. In practice this meant: a passively c…

What is your backup strategy? What would happen if your NAS breaks?

Re: Ask HN: Cloud vs. Edge Computing–Why Choose a Local NAS?

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post #17
post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cloudflare tunnels are free and give you multiple layers of protection (requiring certain auth methods, geoblocking, not needing to expose your IP, etc)

Don't you indirectly give access to Clouflare itself with their product?

If you are proxying outbound it will always be like this.

The alternative is exposing your IP to the internet and having to deal with your own proxying, AI bot scraping insanity, constant port scans and ssh probes, showing up as a target on shodan.io, etc.

If you want to make your home connection the service target for the dregs of the internet be my guess, but couldn't be me.

Re: Ask HN: Cloud vs. Edge Computing–Why Choose a Local NAS?

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post #18
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When I built my DIY NAS, the most important factor was: I wanted it _silent_. No constantly spinning drives or fans. It sits in a sideboard in my living room, and I've been using a M1 Mac for years now that is completely silent in normal daily operation, so I've become a bit sensitive to any "computer noises" and wanted my continuously running hardware to be as quiet as possible. In practice this meant: a passively c…

What is your backup strategy? What would happen if your NAS breaks?

Multi-layered.

- Important stuff primarily lives in commercial cloud storage. All of that is also mirrored on the NAS.

- Everything from the NAS SSDs is dumped to the HDDs every 3 days. Both use MergeFS, so if any one drive dies (or both SSDs, or both HDDs), I can replace it and still have a copy of everything.

The entire NAS is also occasionally dumped to an external HDD that's stored at my parents' place. So basically, if the NAS breaks catastrophically, I am at risk of losing some recent stuff that hasn't been dumped there yet, but nothing of actual importance.

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