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Re: Ask HN: The whole NextJS situation is overwhelming

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Post by owebmaster » Sun, Apr 13, 2025, 3:26 PM UTC

mbelen wrote: post #9

owebmaster wrote: post #6

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I second that. React is not needed anymore, much less nextjs. People should break free from these shackles

But using what, just js + html + css, for anything moderately complex this will become impossible. Even all AI agents will have easier time using some framework as it will be easier to comprehend most likely

> for anything moderately complex this will become impossible.

It won't. You actually remove complexity by removing unnecessary dependencies.

You can organize your code the same way you would with React: components, state management, reactivity. It is all there within JS+HTML+CSS without 100kbytes of minified JS.

Re: Ask HN: The whole NextJS situation is overwhelming

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Post by xenospn » Sun, Apr 13, 2025, 3:30 PM UTC

jalapenos wrote: post #5

Yeah the solution is no framework and have an AI generate your front end

Does that actually work? I can’t imagine trying to find a bug in a sea of AI generated JS

Re: Ask HN: The whole NextJS situation is overwhelming

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Post by solardev » Sun, Apr 13, 2025, 5:13 PM UTC

jalapenos wrote: post #5

Yeah the solution is no framework and have an AI generate your front end

Sounds great until someone else needs to maintain it. I'd never want to touch a codebase like that...

Re: Ask HN: The whole NextJS situation is overwhelming

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Post by solardev » Sun, Apr 13, 2025, 5:14 PM UTC

mbelen wrote: post #8

mubou wrote: post #7

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Blaming all of frontend for Next.js' issues is a bit much, but I agree; people have been complaining about Next.js for a long time. It's slow, complicated, and a PITA if you need to do anything outside the box. Unfortunately, options for SSR in React are all pretty limiting compared to other languages' frameworks, unless you go the full DIY route which isn't usually feasible. Of course, if you don't need SSR there's…

nextjs is great in a sense that it allows to make full stack apps very conviniently. Making an api endpoint is just creating a file. If only there was less stuff in between though

You can use Next with the page router and it's lot simpler. Or Astro?

Re: Ask HN: The whole NextJS situation is overwhelming

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Post by mubou » Sun, Apr 13, 2025, 5:36 PM UTC

solardev wrote: post #14

mbelen wrote: post #8

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nextjs is great in a sense that it allows to make full stack apps very conviniently. Making an api endpoint is just creating a file. If only there was less stuff in between though

You can use Next with the page router and it's lot simpler. Or Astro?

"Simpler" doesn't necessarily mean better. Next is convenient as long as you stay inside the box, but it's very limiting otherwise (that is, it doesn't adapt to a wide variety of usecases, but rather forces you to adapt to it -- that's my main gripe).

Re: Ask HN: The whole NextJS situation is overwhelming

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Post by solardev » Sun, Apr 13, 2025, 5:53 PM UTC

mubou wrote: post #15

solardev wrote: post #14

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You can use Next with the page router and it's lot simpler. Or Astro?

"Simpler" doesn't necessarily mean better. Next is convenient as long as you stay inside the box, but it's very limiting otherwise (that is, it doesn't adapt to a wide variety of usecases, but rather forces you to adapt to it -- that's my main gripe).

Absolutely. I agree with you.